Aminet 28/Aminet 28 (1998)(GTI - Schatztruhe)[!][Dec 1998].iso/Aminet/docs/misc/jasep.lha/Sep98.txt

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These are all the messages since the JUST-AMiGA mailing list opened
at the start of September 1998, you will be able to find every months
messages each month on the aminet.

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Chris Seward
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From [e-mail] Sat Sep 05 21:45:51 1998
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Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Hello, just a quick test
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On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

G'day Chris,
                   All seems to be working OK here so far. If I have any probs
I'll let you know.

Thanks.

Kind regards
--
______________________________________________________________________________

Regards

        Noel Gadd - Sysop , Lend_A_Hand BBS ph [phone]
                  - Amiga Support.
                  - Amiga Internet Support

        Machines  - Amiga2000/030/68882/25Mhz/10meg ram/GVP I/O
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Subject: [just-amiga] Hello, just a quick test

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
let the list
know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
5 is
a real bugger :(
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Noel Gadd <[e-mail]>


On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

G'day Chris,
                   All seems to be working OK here so far. If I have any probs
I'll let you know.

Thanks.

Kind regards
--
______________________________________________________________________________

Regards

        Noel Gadd - Sysop , Lend_A_Hand BBS ph [phone]
                  - Amiga Support.
                  - Amiga Internet Support

        Machines  - Amiga2000/030/68882/25Mhz/10meg ram/GVP I/O
                    card/1 GBHD/ Pioneer DRM-602X 6 CD stacker
                    2x33K6 Maestro V34/SX1,CD32/10meg ram/40MBHD

        Software  - Cnet3.05/WB3.1/MUI3.8/Yam1.3.4/Miami/Ibrowse
                    GPFAX/Trapdoor/Dirwork162/AMFTP/AMIRC/PPaint

        Email at Home - [e-mail]
        Home Page - HTTP://www.southcom.com.au/~ngadd

        Email at Work - [e-mail]
        Web   http://www.erico.com

______________________________________________________________________________



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 05-Sep-98, you wrote:

>
> G'day Chris,
>                   All seems to be working OK here so far. If I have any
probs
> I'll let you know.

Did you send this email to me also as i received it twice, hmm maybe. BTW
are
you still the Australlia HQ for AIO as I have stated in the mag itself?
Thanks

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From [e-mail] Sat Sep 05 21:59:23 1998
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On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 05-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
>>
>> G'day Chris,
>>                   All seems to be working OK here so far. If I have any
> probs
>> I'll let you know.
>
> Did you send this email to me also as i received it twice, hmm maybe. BTW
> are
> you still the Australlia HQ for AIO as I have stated in the mag itself?
> Thanks
>

G'day Chris,
                   Yes Sorry I did send it twice . To make sure it got there
as YAM asked me wich to send it to ? At the time I wasnt sure so I chose
"Both".

    As far as I know I'm still the Aus HQ. Unless I'm sacked ? <Grin> I'm
having some problems with the BBS at the moment though. I need the Latest
Cnet. I've contacted Ray and sent the cheque and that's as far as it's got.
Hopefully soon I'll be running the LATEST CNET.

Kind regards
--
______________________________________________________________________________

Regards

        Noel Gadd - Sysop , Lend_A_Hand BBS ph [phone]
                  - Amiga Support.
                  - Amiga Internet Support

        Machines  - Amiga2000/030/68882/25Mhz/10meg ram/GVP I/O
                    card/1 GBHD/ Pioneer DRM-602X 6 CD stacker
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Kenneth Craig <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris,
    Seems fine here! Hope everybody with an Amiga joins in!

On 05-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(
Regards
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Joanne Calhoun <[e-mail]>

On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
>From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

>Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
>let the list
>know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
>5 is
>a real bugger :(
>--
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Hi, working fine here. :)


--
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:28:26   Kenneth Craig wrote:
>From: Kenneth Craig <[e-mail]>
>
>Hello Chris,
>    Seems fine here! Hope everybody with an Amiga joins in!
>
>
It works here too ... just wondering, what are the aims  of this group ? Unofficial Tech support ? Amiga chat ? An advert for onelist ?

SeeYA,


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Sunday, September 06, 1998 1:42 AM, Chris Steward
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

All seems to be working fine.

Cheers, Oliver

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]>

Hi Chris

On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:

> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

As you can see working fine here too mate...glad to be onboard !

(Oh BTW whats up with YAM ??)

Cheers,
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris,

On 06-Sep-98, you wrote:

>PF> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you
just
>PF> let the list
>PF> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2
preview
>PF> 5 is
>PF> a real bugger :(

Another Amiga list, but why yam is a bugger? no problems with it here:)


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Subject: [just-amiga] CU closure

From: Robert Iveson <[e-mail]>

Hi All!

On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

Yep - looking good here.

Nice to see a new Amiga list in operation - and one that's long overdue.
Hopefully we won't be subbmitted to so much strictness like the CU list. =)

As an editor of a new Amiga magazine, I'd be interested to know what people
will be doing once the final issue of CU is released? How they feel about the
closure and where they'll be going next.....

*Issue 3 of Amiga Survivor out soon!* =)

Seriously, I'm glad to be a part of this new list, and this onelist server
thing isn't all that bad!

Rob

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: John Hancock <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris,

On 05-Sep-98, you wrote:


> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is> a real bugger :(

Yam 2 preview 5 is the first version of Yam I've used and also now my
favourite mailer. Other than the odd bit of icon corruption on the toolbar,
I have had no problems with it at all.

Anyway happy to be on this new list.  What we gonna talk about then?


John Hancock
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Subject: [just-amiga] Another amiga list?!

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 28-Jul-98, you wrote:

> From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>

> Another Amiga list, but why yam is a bugger? no problems with it here:)

What do you mean another Amiga list ;)? Yeah setting up YAM with non
amiga friendly internet servers is a pain :( got it working now! for
some reason it didn't work with the details i'd entered, then i reset
and now its worked since :) woohoo!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Lists aims

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 06-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

> It works here too ... just wondering, what are the aims  of this group
? Unofficial Tech support ? Amiga chat ? An advert for onelist ?

Not an advert for onelist, thats just who run it :) its for general amiga
chat, about
anything amiga related, ask questions if you have a problem and maybe
someone
can help or just talk about current topics, lets see who can get this
list going :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Apollo Blues :-(

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

amigaman ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Firstly hi to all on JA .. I thought i`d kick off my first posting with a
>request I have a apollo 040 card which died on me

Completely dead or is it working but not as good as it used to?

>and I was wonder if anybody knows anywhere that i can get it fixed .

Sorry, no but what Apollo 040 card is it? For the A1200? Check if it gets
too hot.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Allo

From: Marcus Johansson <[e-mail]>

Lovely, another amiga-mailing list :)
   I'm sure it works, but it's best to follow everybody elses'
example and send an e-mail just to check.
   How many persons are in this list so far? Or perhaps it's
possible to get that piece of information directly from one-
list?... I think it's time for me to shut up, anyway.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 07-Sep-98,  Martin Persson informed me of the following:

>Here is another test ;)
Well, it worked :)

>Anyone got a Power Tower
Yes

>and is it only to be
>purchased in the UK?
No! Get one from over here, Holland, very cheap and not that far away!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: Elgersma <[e-mail]>

At 20:26 06/09/98 +0500, you wrote:
>From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

>No! Get one from over here, Holland, very cheap and not that far away!
Which Dutch companies are cheap? I checked out Amigis, Computer City etc.,
but found I might aswell mail order it from the UK where the stocks are much
larger and much more stuff is available.

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From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>

Hello!

Here is another test ;)
Great with this Amiga mailing list!=20
Anyone got a Power Tower, and is it only to be
purchased in the UK? I'm planing to get one, but If
I order one at First Computers they say that a delivery=20
to Sweden would be =A348 as the case is quite heavy, and
the Power Tower itself (=A3149). Totaly =A3197!!!!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Apollo Blues :-(

From: "amigaman" <[e-mail]>


Firstly hi to all on JA .. I thought i`d kick off my first posting with a
request I have a apollo 040 card which died on me and I was wonder if
anybody knows anywhere that i can get it fixed . I called Power computing
where I bought the card and they did not want to know at all  (shame) any
way any help would be welcome
All the best
Eddie

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From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>

Hello all,
           This is just a test, to see if I am getting on the list.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: Adrian Lancaster <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris

On 05-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, i just thought i'd test this see if your all receiving, can you just
> let the list
> know its working by emailing to the list saying so :) Hmmm yam 2 preview
> 5 is
> a real bugger :(

No problems here. No probs with YAM2 P5 either.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello from Norwich UK.

From: Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]>

Hi Paul

On 06-Sep-98, Paul Dixon wrote:
> From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>

> Hello all,
>           This is just a test, to see if I am getting on the list.

As you can see the answer is yes :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mail order

From: Cold Spring <[e-mail]>

> I don't know about catalogues but you could try some of these web
>sites, some prices may not be up to date, so either phone or email to
>confirm (beware: Power computing take ages to answer emails).

Thanks for the addresses, i'll check them out - but I'm frankly stunned that
there isn't an Amiga catalogue...

That means that products stocked are up to the manufacturers discretion (ie
mostly their own product) and so you can never know what's truely out there.

If I wanted an old game, how would I find out? If I wanted specific MIDI /
sampling gear - how would I find out? If none of the companies you list don't
deal in MIDI then where now? It's such a shame there isn't one dcedicated
Amiga 'we stock bloody everything' catalogue....

Thanks....

Best wishes,

Justin


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mail order

From: "Michael Johnstone" <[e-mail]>

On 09-Sep-98 22:23:04 it was eagerly reported that Cold Spring said

>From: Cold Spring <[e-mail]>

>Hello,

>Can anyone recommend any Amiga hardware / software mail order catalogues?
>With the death of Amiga magazines (and the non-SOR stance, making sure
>newsagents won't stock them), it's difficult to know what's available and how
>to buy it. UK based would be preferable.....

>Any help would be appreciated.....thanks!

I have found http://www.oberland.com/ to be very good and (from the point
of view of buying hardware from New Zealand) very cheap. They even took
back a scan doubler I ordered not realizing that I could not using it on a
A2000.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Dice 3.15

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

 Hi fellow Amigans,

 I hope someone can help me with this, or if not could someone tell
me the address to subscribe to a C (preferrably Dice if there is one)
mailing list.

 I recently downloaded the source archive for DICE 3.15 and unpacked
it to my HD and made the relevant assigns. I also have the Amiga
Developers CD, so I copied the include files to dinclude:amiga31.

 I would like to know how to generate the pragmas/protos for these
files and also the relevant lib files. I tried copying the dmakefile
in the dcc:lib directory and changing the relevant bits to use the
new files and also copyed the lib.def file and edited that, but I'm
not sure if they would work. I'm also using the amiga.lib that came
on the Devs CD, renamed to amiga31l.lib, but again, I'm not sure if
this is the correct thing to do.

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.


__.oO_David_McMinn_Oo.__
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mail order

From: Sridhar Iyer <[e-mail]>

At 08:59 AM 10/09/98 -0000, you wrote:

Hi all

I just joined in. So can I have the web addresses of chaps/cos dealing in
amiga related stuff. I am based in India , so plz. imagine my plight!

Ciao
Sridhar.

>From: Cold Spring <[e-mail]>
>
>> I don't know about catalogues but you could try some of these web
>>sites, some prices may not be up to date, so either phone or email to
>>confirm (beware: Power computing take ages to answer emails).
>
>Thanks for the addresses, i'll check them out - but I'm frankly stunned that
>there isn't an Amiga catalogue...


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Subject: [just-amiga] I need a new isp asap.

From: Barbra Skowronski <[e-mail]>

Hi:
I am new to this list.
I have a local isp server. Unfortunately,its brower is a sunx lynx brower and
it is a text browser only. My amiga is a 3000. I am frustrated. I cannot even
get on compuserve even though I have an account in good standing with them.
When I attempt to log in,I get weird lettering...and the the words Hoot Naie
repeating themselves line upon line than the words not on line...

What isp servers are amiga software friendly. You should know my Amiga
does not have an emmulator and so is not mac or ibm compatible. I use
wordbench 2.0

Please help as I am so frustrated I could scream.

Truly,
D. Barbra Skowronski
Fl.(usa)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

From: Barbra Skowronski <[e-mail]>

Hi Joanne:

Where can I get the upgrades. There was a private company that used to do
upgrades for amigas but it closed. I am computer moronic. I got the computer
as is.

So,where can these upgrades be purchased and how can they be installed?

Thanks.
Barbra

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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Joanne Calhoun wrote:

> From: Joanne Calhoun <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi Barbra, I too am new on this list. Well first of all if you want to have
> graphics on your amiga, you should be using 3.1 os. Secondly, there is a
> program called Miami, that is a pretty simple connect to the internet. But
> first you still need to consider upgrading your os. I too started with a 2.1
> os and upgraded to 3.1, and what a world of difference, I am so glad I did. I
> use IBrowse or AWeb for my browsers. They amaze me everyday, as the Amiga can
> still keep up with the everchanging internet. Anyway, please feel free to
> email me if you need any help. Good luck and enjoy! :)
>
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

From: Joanne Calhoun <[e-mail]>

Hi Barbra, I too am new on this list. Well first of all if you want to have
graphics on your amiga, you should be using 3.1 os. Secondly, there is a
program called Miami, that is a pretty simple connect to the internet. But
first you still need to consider upgrading your os. I too started with a 2.1
os and upgraded to 3.1, and what a world of difference, I am so glad I did. I
use IBrowse or AWeb for my browsers. They amaze me everyday, as the Amiga can
still keep up with the everchanging internet. Anyway, please feel free to
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re[2]: Problems with PPC + AmiTCP

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Hi Everybody,


> Well I have 240mhz ppc and 060/50 and Netconnect 2 works a treat - Are
you
> using serial.device or an alternative like artser.device?

> I know the original serial.device is bugged and causes problems with
060s -
> try artser.device instead. This worked for me with Netconnect V1 when
I had
> an 040/40 Apollo board. Or you might try messing with the baud rate in
the
> modem config section of amitcp?

    Thanks but that didn't help. I'd already tried different speeds and
tried 8n1.device but it still didn't work.

Don't forget that I have used AmiTCP on an 040 board with no problems,
and if the problem was my serial device then surly Maimi would suffer
the same problems.

Can you think of anything else it could be?

See ya.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Disabling A1200 IDE Header.

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

On 09-Sep-98 11:47:10 [e-mail] The LOGIC's wrote:

>From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

>If you use blizzkick i have a version that disables the IDE port. Ask
>me in private because i don't have your mail William.

Actually, I've found a hardware hack to disable the interface. It
shouldn't be too expensive and, done right, should be perfectly safe.
Unfortunately, it involves a bit of soldering, which I am no good at, so
I'll have to get someone else to make the doohickey, but I can install
it myself. ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Graphics card or PPC?

From: Elgersma <[e-mail]>

Hi all,

        my life is in ruins. The indecision is killing me, I'm positively
losing it!
        You see, I have recently acquired a very nice A1200T/060, and am
very happy with it. However, I can still afford to upgrade some more, but-
it's probably my last chance before becoming a poor student.
        So- what do I do? I have about £250,- to spend.

1. I can get a second hand Cybervision 64/3D for about £90,- Is this a good
deal? I could then just about scrape together a ZorroII board to accomodate it.

2. I could sell the 060 and go PPC- and with it hopefully future-proofing my
Amiga a little bit at least.

I tend to use my Amiga for everything and anything, but play lots of games.
On one hand, the gfx card takes away the AGA bottleneck on my machine, on
the other hand are we likely to see lots of PPC only stuff in the next year
or two?

So what should it be- PPC&AGA or 060+Cybervision?

Any ideas appreciated!!

Erik Elgersma


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Graphics card or PPC?

From: "Mattias Andersson" <[e-mail]>

I think you should buy the new BlizzardvisionPPC for your PPC card. They should be shipping them right now.

But of coz only if you want a new graphics card.

My friend have a CybervisionPPC and he is VERY pleased with it. Before he had a Retina card, and because of that I think he knows what he is talking about. The BvisionPPC is almost the same as CVPPC, so I don't think you will be disapointed! Right now there could be some minor problems with the driver for the card but be sure that they will be updated frequentlly!

/Mattias
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Subject: [just-amiga] Graphics card or PPC?


From: Elgersma <[e-mail]>

Hi all,

        my life is in ruins. The indecision is killing me, I'm positively
losing it!
        You see, I have recently acquired a very nice A1200T/060, and am
very happy with it. However, I can still afford to upgrade some more, but-
it's probably my last chance before becoming a poor student.
        So- what do I do? I have about £250,- to spend.

1. I can get a second hand Cybervision 64/3D for about £90,- Is this a good
deal? I could then just about scrape together a ZorroII board to accomodate it.

2. I could sell the 060 and go PPC- and with it hopefully future-proofing my
Amiga a little bit at least.

I tend to use my Amiga for everything and anything, but play lots of games.
On one hand, the gfx card takes away the AGA bottleneck on my machine, on
the other hand are we likely to see lots of PPC only stuff in the next year
or two?

So what should it be- PPC&AGA or 060+Cybervision?

Any ideas appreciated!!

Erik Elgersma


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: [pamiga] Disabling A1200 IDE Header.

From: Srdan Kvrgic <[e-mail]>

Hello William

On 07-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Can anyone here tell me *(a)* the layout of the pins in the A1200
> motherboard IDE header and *(b)* which pins to short together to disable
> the thing without damage (I'll use test clips), so that I don't need to
> wait for the OS to time-out waiting for a non-existent IDE drive?

> I know I've asked this before in one of my lists, but, like a dolt, I
> seem to have misplaced the information. :-/

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    4: D8        Data Bit 8             26: GND        Ground
    5: D6        Data Bit 6             27: WAIT       IO Channel Ready
    6: D9        Data Bit 9             28:            --
    7: D5        Data Bit 5             29:            --
    8: D10       Data Bit 10            30: GND        Ground
    9: D4        Data Bit 4             31: _IDE_IRQ   Interrupt Request
   10: D11       Data Bit 11            32:            --
   11: D3        Data Bit 3             33: A1         Address 1
   12: D12       Data Bit 12            34:            --
   13: D2        Data Bit 2             35: A0         Address 0
   14: D13       Data Bit 13            36: A2         Address 2
   15: D1        Data Bit 1             37: _IDE_CS[1] IDE CS 1
   16: D14       Data Bit 14            38: _IDE_CS[2] IDE CS 2
   17: D0        Data Bit 0             39: _IDE_LED   Drive active LED
   18: D15       Data Bit 15            40: GND        Ground
   19: GND       Ground                 41: VCC        +5V DC
   20:           --                     42: VCC        +5V DC
   21:           --                     43: GND        Ground
   22: GND       Ground                 44:            --

Or you can get Chris Appleton's (Come on Chris. Take a bow! =) A1200Hardware
Guide from Hard/Misc on Aminet.

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                                         | t e a m |
~~~~~~~~ ZoomiX's WorkShop ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+--+ *A* +--+
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From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Tuesday, September 08, 1998 3:42 PM, Elgersma
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: Elgersma <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi all,
>
>         my life is in ruins. The indecision is killing me, I'm
>         positively
> losing it!
>         You see, I have recently acquired a very nice A1200T/060, and am
> very happy with it. However, I can still afford to upgrade some more,
> but-
> it's probably my last chance before becoming a poor student.
>         So- what do I do? I have about ?250,- to spend.
>
> 1. I can get a second hand Cybervision 64/3D for about ?90,- Is this a
> good
> deal? I could then just about scrape together a ZorroII board to
> accomodate it.

Can't comment on this.

>
> 2. I could sell the 060 and go PPC- and with it hopefully
future-proofing
> my
> Amiga a little bit at least.

I wouldn't do that - not at the moment.
Available PPC software can be counted at one hand, the OS has to run 680x0
(not PPC) and the 060 is a fast running beast.


>
> I tend to use my Amiga for everything and anything, but play lots of
> games.
> On one hand, the gfx card takes away the AGA bottleneck on my machine,
> on
> the other hand are we likely to see lots of PPC only stuff in the next
> year
> or two?
>
> So what should it be- PPC&AGA or 060+Cybervision?

I would go for 060+Cybervision, as a higher resolution is VERY nice
(especially for "everything and anything").

>
> Any ideas appreciated!!
>
> Erik Elgersma
>

Regards, Oliver

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Subject: [just-amiga] AmiTCP & Samba!

From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>

Hi there!

I'm just wondering if someone could help me with AmiTCP & Samba!

I use a A1200/030/030 with a Cnet PCMCIA card and a PC with WIN95 in a LAN
network.

I have installed AmiTCP with success more or less. I still have some problems
with my ftp server. AmiTCP crashes quite often including the applications I
use with it. Strange.

Anyway. I use AmiTCP 4.3 & Samba 1.9.16p9 (from Aminet) And would like to
browse files. No printing.

So, if someone have a similar working system I would be greatful if you could
send me all the configuration files so I can check whats wrong. That includes
the AmiTCP:db/ files and AmiTCP:samba/lib/ file(s) and also other stuff thats
relevant to get all things to work.

It is also possible to do it the other way. I send the files i have and you
check them out.

Since i'm not a TCP/IP guru most of the required configurations are faulty I
guess :-)

Desperate for help.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mail order

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

> From: Cold Spring <[e-mail]>
>
> Hello,
>
> Can anyone recommend any Amiga hardware / software mail order catalogues?
> With the death of Amiga magazines (and the non-SOR stance, making sure
> newsagents won't stock them), it's difficult to know what's available and
> how to buy it. UK based would be preferable.....

 AF does SOR, so hassle your newsagent!

 I don't know about catalogues but you could try some of these web
sites, some prices may not be up to date, so either phone or email to
confirm (beware: Power computing take ages to answer emails).

Amiga Web Directory (has links to manufacturers/distributers)
http://www.cucug.org/

First computer centre    http://www.firstcom.demon.co.uk/
Blittersoft (UK)        http://www.blittersoft.com/
Power Computing (UK)    http://www.powerc.com/
Phase 5                    http://www.phase5.de/


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Hello,

Can anyone recommend any Amiga hardware / software mail order catalogues? With
the death of Amiga magazines (and the non-SOR stance, making sure newsagents
won't stock them), it's difficult to know what's available and how to buy it.
UK based would be preferable.....

Any help would be appreciated.....thanks!

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From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 08-Sep-98,  Martin Persson informed me of the following:

>OK, but what is the place called, and is there a homepage?

OkayOkay, send an email to [e-mail]

No website yet. The place is called "Leeuwarden", which is close to
Denmark/Germany.

Oh yes, tell him that I sent you!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Disabling A1200 IDE Header.

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 08-sep-98, Srdan Kvrgic ([e-mail]) escribió:

> From: Srdan Kvrgic <[e-mail]>
>
> Hello William
>
> On 07-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
>> Can anyone here tell me *(a)* the layout of the pins in the A1200
>> motherboard IDE header and *(b)* which pins to short together to disable
>> the thing without damage (I'll use test clips), so that I don't need to
>> wait for the OS to time-out waiting for a non-existent IDE drive?
>
>> I know I've asked this before in one of my lists, but, like a dolt, I
>> seem to have misplaced the information. :-/

If you use blizzkick i have a version that disables the IDE port. Ask me in
private because i don't have your mail William.

                                           Bye, Gonzalo. The LOGIC's
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Problems with PPC + AmiTCP

From: "Martin Nicholson" <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:54:11 +0000, Andrew Crowe wrote,

>     After I got replaced my old 040 board with my BlizzardPPC board I
> found that I couldn't use amitcp anymore, as using any part of the net
> was very slow. But when I connected using my Demo of Miami every thing
> worked fine.

There was a thread on this subject some while back on the Netconnect
list. I'm afraid I only paid a little attention to the thread, but the
gist of it was that PPC boards conflict with the internal serial port.
The only ways to get around this conflict were either to fit an
external serial card (portplus, hypercomm), do a weird thing with the
nofastram executable that comes with workbench, where you turn off
fastram, connect to ISP and then turn the fastram on again, or use
Miami which replaces the serial.device with it's own device. I believe
that using either the artser.device or 8n1 also give some stability
over the serial.

Worzel
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Subject: [just-amiga] Problems with PPC + AmiTCP

From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>

Hi Everybody,

    I have an A1200/2.1gig hd/32meg ram/PPC603e+(scsi)-240mhz+040-25mhz

    After I got replaced my old 040 board with my BlizzardPPC board I
found that I couldn't use amitcp anymore, as using any part of the net
was very slow. But when I connected using my Demo of Miami every thing
worked fine.

    I got AmiTCP with Netconnect V1. Does anyone know why AmiTCP (V4?)
doesn't work with my PPC card, and if upgrading to Netconnect 2 will fix
it.

See ya.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Graphics card or PPC?

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Hi,

In my opinion, you should go fo the PowerPC, and then when your grant comes through, buy the BVisionPPC card.

That way you can have the best of both worlds ...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Problems with PPC + AmiTCP

From: John Hancock <[e-mail]>

On 09-Sep-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:


> PPC603e+(scsi)-240mhz+040-25mhz

>   After I got replaced my old 040 board with my BlizzardPPC board I
> found that I couldn't use amitcp anymore, as using any part of the net
> was very slow.
>
>with Netconnect V1. Does anyone know why AmiTCP (V4?)
> doesn't work with my PPC card, and if upgrading to Netconnect 2 will fix
> it.

Well I have 240mhz ppc and 060/50 and Netconnect 2 works a treat - Are you
using serial.device or an alternative like artser.device?

I know the original serial.device is bugged and causes problems with 060s -
try artser.device instead. This worked for me with Netconnect V1 when I had
an 040/40 Apollo board. Or you might try messing with the baud rate in the
modem config section of amitcp?

Are you using a gfx card? If not then try to use a 32 colour screen when
accessing the net as this can help chipram bottlenecks.

Other than that perhaps a post active software might help?

-
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: IRC channel

From: Kenneth Craig <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris,
    That would be good. Or we can meet on AmiComsys! If you have not heard of
it, it is a program like ICQ for Amigas only! You can d/l it from:

_#http://surf.to/AmiComSys #_

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>

Den 06-Sep-98, skrev Robbin Van Ooy:

> From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>
>
> On 07-Sep-98,  Martin Persson informed me of the following:
>
>> Here is another test ;)
> Well, it worked :)
>
>> Anyone got a Power Tower
> Yes
>
>> and is it only to be
>> purchased in the UK?
> No! Get one from over here, Holland, very cheap and not that far away!


OK. Is there any information on the Internet or something about
this "cheaper Holland place"? The price in England is £129, how
much does it cost in Holland then?

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From: Mark Tierno <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris

On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 07-Sep-98,  Martin Persson informed me of the following:

>OK. Is there any information on the Internet or something about
>this "cheaper Holland place"? The price in England is £129, how
>much does it cost in Holland then?

The same :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Disabling A1200 IDE Header.

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

Can anyone here tell me *(a)* the layout of the pins in the A1200
motherboard IDE header and *(b)* which pins to short together to disable
the thing without damage (I'll use test clips), so that I don't need to
wait for the OS to time-out waiting for a non-existent IDE drive?

I know I've asked this before in one of my lists, but, like a dolt, I
seem to have misplaced the information. :-/

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Subject: [just-amiga] In Germany?

From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>

Hi all Amiga friends!

Does anyone know if the Power Tower is for
sale in Germany?

Kind regards,
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From: Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]>

Hi Chris

On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:

> Anyone interested in a JUST-AMiGA irc channel aswell or irc
> meet? thanks!

Why not use an existing channel ?

On the w/ends I have one helluva time hopping from one to
the other as I frequent 3 or 4 on a regular basis. I'm not entirely
convinced that we need yet another......

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Subject: [just-amiga] Anyone seen Napalm Demo v1.1?

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

Can anyone tell me what the Napalm demo from clickBOOM is like?
I've heard version 1.1 of the demo is available from
www.clickboom.com  but i never got the first version and isn't
it like 6mb or something, hopefully it'll be on the last CUCD :)
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 07-Sep-98,  Elgersma informed me of the following:

>>No! Get one from over here, Holland, very cheap and not that far away!
>Which Dutch companies are cheap? I checked out Amigis, Computer City etc.,
>but found I might aswell mail order it from the UK where the stocks are much
>larger and much more stuff is available.

Yeah true. Computer city is okay, there are cheaper ones, but its
more difficult to order from them.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 15:40:57   Martin Persson wrote:
>From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>
>
>Hello!
>
>Here is another test ;)
>Great with this Amiga mailing list!
>Anyone got a Power Tower, and is it only to be
>purchased in the UK? I'm planing to get one, but If
>I order one at First Computers they say that a delivery
>to Sweden would be £48 as the case is quite heavy, and
>the Power Tower itself (£149). Totaly £197!!!!
>
I dont know about the Power Tower, but you could have a look at the Towerhawk from RBM. http://www.rbm.de

Looks good, maybe postage from Germany will be cheaper?
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: "amigaman" <[e-mail]>

Hi Martin
 Much as I am loath to give them a plug (because they fobbed me off when I
asked for help with my a1200 040 apollo card ) the "power tower" is only
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From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 06-Sep-98, you wrote:

>   How many persons are in this list so far? Or perhaps it's
> possible to get that piece of information directly from one-
>

I think you can find that from onelist but theres been 43 subscriptions
in 2 days, not bad as the aminet hasn't uploaded the posting yet. Tell
ya friends also :)
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Anyone interested in a JUST-AMiGA irc channel aswell or irc
meet? thanks!
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Subject: [just-amiga] UAE ML ?

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

Hi there,

Does anybody here know of a UAE mailing list ?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello, just a quick test

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:28:18    Oliver Kastl wrote:

>All seems to be working fine.
>
>Cheers, Oliver
>
>Oliver Kastl
>Elaborate Bytes

Blimey, now we have a well known Tech Guru (or should i say Buddha ?) on the list. Mr IDEfix himself.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CU closure

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:47:26   Robert Iveson wrote:
>From: Robert Iveson <[e-mail]>
>
>Hi All!
>
>On 06-Sep-98, Chris Steward wrote:
>> From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>
>
>As an editor of a new Amiga magazine, I'd be interested to know what people
>will be doing once the final issue of CU is released? How they feel about the
>closure and where they'll be going next.....
>
Continue buying AF, try to get my Amiga fixed, might uy Survivor, but I'm not really a games user - more into the serious stuff.

I'll continue playing with UAE in the meantime - quite an impressive bit of programming.

>Seriously, I'm glad to be a part of this new list, and this onelist server
>thing isn't all that bad!
>
Except for the 4 mile long sigs (when added to mine etc)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mailing list & Power Tower

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Olly ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I dont know about the Power Tower, but you could have a look at the Towerhawk
>from RBM. http://www.rbm.de

It is good. I'm using one myself with excellent results.

>Looks good, maybe postage from Germany will be cheaper?

Since Martin's from Sweden, he doesn't have to order it from Germany. It's
imported to Sweden. Vidamus Multimedia is selling it, http://www.vidamus.se

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Hi all,
  There won't be many rules, just if you can take peoples tags out
when you are replying if possible, the rest we'll come to when we
hit them :) also check out my web page in my tag please, its now
been updated and has some options for once :) all issues available
to download and online issue ready to read.! thanks!
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From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>

Den 07-Sep-98, skrev Robbin Van Ooy:

> From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>
>=20
> On 07-Sep-98,  Martin Persson informed me of the following:=20
>=20
>> OK. Is there any information on the Internet or something about
>> this "cheaper Holland place"? The price in England is =A3129, how=20
>> much does it cost in Holland then?
>=20
> The same :)

OK, but what is the place called, and is there a homepage?

Kind Regards,
Martin
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As the Amiga Information Online www page visits have shot
right up, thanks to everyone who has visited, please keep
visiting regularly I am giving a small space to three
banners for advertising, obviously there will be a small
charge but this will go stright back into AIO and help buy
more items to review. Please find below the prices, any more
details required or if you'd like to take out a banner
contact my personal email address in my tag! thanks

1 months banner 320x70 £10
3 months banner 320x70 £28
6 months banner 320x70 £50

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Subject: [just-amiga] AIO editor and articles wanted!

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

Right, as you all should know by now this list is associated with
Amiga Information Online (AIO) the freely available Amiga only
disk-magazine I produce once a month with games & utilities
reviews plus articles, interviews and free advertising space.

I am currently looking for a Utilities Editor and Co-Editor,
the Utilities Editor would be required to review 4-5 aminet
utilities a month. The Co-Editor would help in organising
many articles, interviews and general running of the mag.
If you have what it takes contact my personal email address
below, thanks! I am also interested in including your own
reviews and any articles you want to or have written
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Subject: [just-amiga] Yam 2 problems

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

Well alot of you asked what was up with Yam 2 Preview 5, so here
goes, the problem is wierd, it can receive email ALL the time with
no problems what so ever but when it comes to sending its a
different matter, sometimes it will send but most of the time I
get the error can't connect to mail.thefree.net server is
either unavailable or server does not except pop3/stmp
mail, but I know it is available because I can send mail at
the same time, i've emailed Marcel Beck but any help until he
replys would be welcomed!
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CU closure

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 06-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: Robert Iveson <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi All!

'ello!

> Hopefully we won't be subbmitted to so much strictness like the CU
list. =)
>

Of course no strictness ;)

> As an editor of a new Amiga magazine, I'd be interested to know what
people
> will be doing once the final issue of CU is released? How they feel
about the
> closure and where they'll be going next.....
>

Hmm when CU Closes, well i'll probably burst into tears :) no seriously
it'll be sad to see it go, they have some damn decent stuff on those CD's
which saves time downloading. The CU kind of claimed it'd be round for
a while in its last issues but obviously not and I feel slightly cheated
maybe. Hopefully the Amiga Format and my magazine and ALL Amiga
magazine can get something positive from its closure, I heard AF
will get bigger as more adverts giving more space to articles etc.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 11-Sep-98, you wrote:


>
> Hi:
> I am new to this list.

Hello, Everyone is actually new to this list as its only been running one
week :) but welcome aboard!

> I have a local isp server. Unfortunately,its brower is a sunx lynx
brower and
> it is a text browser only. My amiga is a 3000. I am frustrated. I
cannot even
> get on compuserve even though I have an account in good standing with
them.
> When I attempt to log in,I get weird lettering...and the the words Hoot
Naie
> repeating themselves line upon line than the words not on line...
>

What internet software are you using to log in? I definatly recommend
not using Compuserver as they aren't actually very good and they are
quite expensive.

> What isp servers are amiga software friendly. You should know my Amiga
> does not have an emmulator and so is not mac or ibm compatible. I use
> wordbench 2.0

There aren't actually alot of so called 'Amiga friendly' internet servers
but alot may offer some basic connection package, if not they are quite
easily configured. Using the program called Miami you can have all the
work done for you, as you are maybe new (i'm guessing this??!) you should
buy the new Netconnect 2 software suite which gives you a whole host
of software encluding a dialup, irc, web, email etc etc.

>
> Please help as I am so frustrated I could scream.
>
> Truly,
> D. Barbra Skowronski
> Fl.(usa)

As I don't really have any experience with how USA servers work as
i'm from the Uk i can't really comment but definatly stay away from AOL
as they are totally Amiga no-no, you could try ringing round your
local servers or state servers however the US works and see if they
can help, or check out your local amiga usergroups etc to see if they
can help!

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Subject: [just-amiga] CUCUG???

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

Does anyone know how to contact the amiga web directory to
give news articles? what is the email address to send to and
is there some kind of format to send them?

Amiga Information Online Issue 16 out 19th September don't
miss it!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

From: Hilda <[e-mail]>

On 11-Sep-98, Barbra Skowronski is alleged to have said...
>From: Barbra Skowronski <[e-mail]>

>Hi:
>I am new to this list.
>I have a local isp server. Unfortunately,its brower is a sunx lynx
>brower and
>it is a text browser only. My amiga is a 3000. I am frustrated. I
cannot
>even
>get on compuserve even though I have an account in good standing with
>them.
>When I attempt to log in,I get weird lettering...and the the words Hoot
>Naie
>repeating themselves line upon line than the words not on line...

>What isp servers are amiga software friendly. You should know my Amiga
>does not have an emmulator and so is not mac or ibm compatible. I use
>wordbench 2.0

>Please help as I am so frustrated I could scream.


As others have said, you may need to update your workbench.
I am on an Amiga 3000 and am vying for the position of /List
Technical Idiot/ on the Pure Amiga mailing list - but my ISP
has been very Amiga freindly - they also have dialups in
some areas of Florida.

Primenet - 1-800-4-NET FUN

You also get a shell account with the PPP (or whatever it is
called)

Hildy
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT)

[just-amiga] Re: I need a new isp asap.

Hi Barbra Skowronski

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: Barbra Skowronski <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi Joanne:

SNIP--------------------------

To anyone having trouble obtaining Amiga Bits & Bobs not native to
Europe then please mail me with your problems/requests and I will find
the company,price and avaliability for you here in England where some
spares are still avaliable.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Dial UP

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Hello,

I have to change my dial up codes for my isp - could someone tell where the
hell the number is kept for the dial up within amitcp and how to edit???

Thanks!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga mail order

From: "Chris Steward" <[e-mail]>

On 11-Sep-98, you wrote:


> Hi all
>
> I just joined in. So can I have the web addresses of chaps/cos dealing
in
> amiga related stuff. I am based in India , so plz. imagine my plight!

Hello, i don't know of any shops etc in India but you could always try
the www.cucug.org/amiga.html web page, they normally list everything
from web sites to shops. Hope that helps a bit, sorry I could not give
a more direct answer.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Sigs

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Yes i do agree with William F. Maddock concerning the size on
sigs, obviously i can't tell you to stop and i don't want to
enforce to many silly rules to make the list unpractical
but to make things better when you reply can you edit out the
other persons sig and the onelist sig etc from the bottom of
the message, and if you have a large sig maybe turn it off.
Thats not you have to but it would be nice for people who pay
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Subject: [just-amiga] 101 users

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Just wanted to let everyone know that there are now 101
users on JUST-AMiGA in one weeks time of running. To get
JA more well known if you can please add the following
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Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga

Thanks for your time!

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---

On 12-Sep-98 20:42:13, Chris Seward said about [just-amiga] 101 users:
> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

> Just wanted to let everyone know that there are now 101
> users on JUST-AMiGA in one weeks time of running. To get
I just wonder what the normal lurker/poster rato is ?  Maybe 5 to 10/100 ?
> JA more well known if you can please add the following
> line to your tag :-
Well ATM I will be going off on holiday in 2 weeks & dread my mailbox upon my
return.

One I'm back & caught up with my mail I'll link to the list as appropiate.

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Subject: [just-amiga] W.O.A

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

For everyones info:-

World Of Amiga Show 1999 Announced



World Of Amiga Show 1999 Announced
It has now been confirmed that there will be a UK World Of Amiga show in
1999! Work is well underway on the 1999 show, although the date and venue
has yet to be confirmed. There is already a great deal of excitement for
the show which will play a major part in the rejuvenation of the Amiga
during 1999. As Peter Brameld, Organiser of the World Of Amiga show
stated, "We MUST take the Amiga into the Millenium".
Linking in with this, and following the untimely closure of CU Amiga, the
official web site of the World Of Amiga show has found a new home and is
fully operational NOW! The site is being operated and managed for World of
Amiga by Infinite Frontiers, publishers of the new Amiga fanzine, Amiga
Energy.
For more information on the show, contact Peter Brameld at
[e-mail]
To visit the web site, point your browser at
http://www.infinitefrontiers.mcmail.com/
We at Infinite Frontiers would like to hear your comments and
suggestions about the information YOU want to see on the World Of Amiga
web site. If it is possible, we'll do everything we can to provide all the
information YOU want to know. E-mail us at [e-mail]
We'll be updating the site as news breaks so bookmark the page and we hope
to hear from you soon. We'll see you all at the World Of Amiga 1999!!
Colin Gunn and Simon Plumbe
Co-ordinators, Infinite Frontiers
Amiga News IndexAmiga Web Directory
Champaign-Urbana Computer Users Group / [e-mail]

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From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>
>
> For everyones info:-
>
> World Of Amiga Show 1999 Announced
>

Great!, thanks for letting me know about this Malcolm, i'll hopefully
be there in 1999 then, i missed this years any details on stalls this
year, prices etc?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:20:07 +0000

[just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

Hi Chris Seward

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:
SNIP
 missed this years any details on stalls this
> year, prices etc?
SNIP
>
> Regards
> --
> Chris Seward

No more details as yet, However I did go to this years show, but I
really don`t know why I bothered - I spent a small fortune,really
enjoyed myself and apart from that it was GREAT. :-)


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 101 users

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Sandy Gudgeon" <[e-mail]>
>

> I just wonder what the normal lurker/poster rato is ?  Maybe 5 to
10/100 ?

I don't actually understand what this means? can you explain?

> Well ATM I will be going off on holiday in 2 weeks & dread my mailbox
upon my
> return.

Have a good holiday!

>
> One I'm back & caught up with my mail I'll link to the list as
appropiate.

Thanks!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:

>
> No more details as yet, However I did go to this years show, but I
> really don`t know why I bothered - I spent a small fortune,really
> enjoyed myself and apart from that it was GREAT. :-)

Anymore details you can find for me would be grately received,
I didn't go as its quite expensive to get to London from Liverpool
area and didn't know if it would be worth it :( i'll be at 1999 definatly
maybe even with a AIO stall if the price is right :)

You seem like a man who knows about news, would you be interested
in being a news editor for Amiga Information Online?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CU closure

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Does anybody know the release date for the last CU-A ?

SeeYA,


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Hi Olly & all

Olly wrote:
>Does anybody know the release date for the last CU-A ?

Should be on the 15th this month. It might have special news from AI +
lots of goodies on the CD rom. I am sad not to see it again next month
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Subject: [just-amiga] Java Conference

From: "Gary Peake" <[e-mail]>

TEAM AMIGA HELP CHANNEL CONFERENCE

September 14th. Monday, at 22:00 GMT there will be a Java
conference on the Team AMIGA Help Channel featuring Stephan
Desrosiers (Amiga Java Guru) and Fleecy Moss (Amiga Inc).

If you are interested in Java Programming and the AmigaNG, then you
need to be here to find out how they can tie in together.



The following servers now carry the Team AMIGA Help Channel:


babylon.beyondirc.net
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melnibone.beyondirc.net
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hfdata.eu.beyondirc.net
oz.beyondirc.net



Channel Number will be #Team*Amiga


New IRC users are certainly welcome! A log will be available
shortly afterwards at http://web.wt.net/~gpeake/log.html


Sincerely,

--
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Subject: [just-amiga] CERBERUS 8-)

From: "Philip.M" <[e-mail]>

Whose heard of the cerberus from Weird science then?
  It sounds, to me to be an awesome Machine.  I have just got off the
phone to weird science, I have got to praise the man ( sorry didn't
get his name) on the other end, he was very polite, very clear and
very very helpfull.
  For those of you who don't know the cerberus is a new Multimedia
machine, which weirdscience boast to be able to run both (spit) P.C
and Amiga (Hurray) software.  ATM it will use a software Amiga, but
when the inside out is availabe, you will be able to upgrade to this
8-)
Whats it feature well:
Main Processor   Intel Pentium II 300 MHz
Multimedia Processor mpact 2 @ 125 MHz RAMDAC 230 MHz, onboard AGP
System Memory Minimum 64Mb SDRAM
Graphics Memory 8mb 1.3 GB/sec rambus DRAM
2D Graphics 1280x1024 24bit colour 1600x1200 16bit colour
3D Graphics 500 MFLOP setup engine supporting 1 million triangles per
second
DVD (YES DVD) video Fully compliant MPEG-2 video playback 720 x 576
full screen resolution
video out composite/ S-Video Output for DVD
Digital Audio Out S/PDIF Digital Audio Output Dolby Digital (AC-3) &
PCM sound
S##T loads of other stuff
Modem blah blah blah
Workbench 3.0 (HURRAY) Microsoft Windoze 98 (SPIT SPIT SPIT fart in
that general direction) and optional MAC OS 8.1

The minimum spec including hard drive monitor will be just under £1000
and will include a software package and I think he said a small
DVD  video package as well!
  I am very interested in this as will play all the latest Amiga and
PC software NOW!!!!!
 (By the way I am unsure if this is ment to be put out to the general
public or if it just for weird science customers??? just order Naplam
from em and find out about it whilst you are there ;-)  )
  http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]
This has been put out without permission of weird science I hope they
don't get mad but I thought this was worth shouting about Flame me
personally if you have a problem with this 8-)
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Subject: [just-amiga] Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: Bill Eaves <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris

On 13-Sep-98, Chris Seward wrote:

> Anymore details you can find for me would be grately received,
> I didn't go as its quite expensive to get to London from Liverpool

It is even more so from the far north of Scotland as to get there I would
have to go by plane. In 1996 I went to the WOA by car and it took a week
there and then another to get back by car.

It would be nice to have the WOA somewhere else for a change, somewhere
more central to the UK. Why everything always has to be held in London is a
mystery to me.



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:53:21 +0000

[just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

Hi Chris Seward

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:
SNIP
> Anymore details you can find for me would be grately received,
> I didn't go as its quite expensive to get to London from Liverpool

My friend Tony Ward Lives in Liverpool, has a 4000T PPC Email him at:-
[e-mail] to arrange meeting for a trip down to the
WOA.

SNIP

> You seem like a man who knows about news, would you be interested
> in being a news editor for Amiga Information Online?

Hmmm, maybe let me know details. Go Priv.


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Tuesday, September 15, 1998 12:27 AM, Philip.M
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: "Philip.M" <[e-mail]>
>
> Whose heard of the cerberus from Weird science then?
>   It sounds, to me to be an awesome Machine.  I have just got off the

[...]

Doesn't sound bad at all!

>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]

Hmm, can't find a word on their website...

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Subject: [just-amiga] AIO NEEDS HELP!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

Hello ALL,
   This is a small request to any Amiga users who loves the computer
he or she uses and wants to support it to its fullest. As many of you
may know by now Amiga Information Online is the disk-magazine I
run free of charge, there have been over 200 visits to the new AIO
web page in 1 weeks opening time, no doubt thanks to many of you
on this list ;) and over 13mb of AIO downloaded, also due to the great
people on the list!

 AIO has been running for 16 months and has always tried its hardest
to promote the Amiga to its fullest giving the latest news, reviews,
articles, letters, adverts as well as many other features, all being
free of charge. Now we *WANT* your help!

 We are looking for anyone who is willing to submit reviews, news,
articles, adverts & letters plus anything else you would like to see
in our magazine, we are always open to suggestions and comments and
there are many ways you can contact us.

 If you can help in anyway or distribute AIO to wide audiences then
please get in touch, if you run a web page please add a link the the AIO
web page at : *www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm *
 You can email your articles, reviews, news, letters and adverts +
whatever else to : *[e-mail]*

 There are a few places on the AIO editorial team we also would like to
be filled, please find details below :-

*Co-Editor *: This is the second most main place at AIO, you would be
required to 'run the show' so to speak and produce articles and
reviews each month, plus advertise AIO in anyway you can by word of
mouth etc.

*Utilities Editor *: You would be required to review any PD utilities you
can download from free sources eg. Aminet we are currently looking
into commercial software from commercial companys to be submitted
to on a keep or loan basis.

*Games Co-editor *: This would require shadowing the current games
editor, Lee Hesselden, helping with reviews and the running of the
games section.

*News Editor* : You would be required to scout for news and to take
news from news sources like cucug and find out other exclusives
etc.

 We are always looking for writing talent so if you can help out the
Amiga community in anyway we would be pleased to hear from you!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Matt Daniels <[e-mail]>

Hi,
> From: "Philip.M" <[e-mail]>
>
> Whose heard of the cerberus from Weird science then?
>  It sounds, to me to be an awesome Machine.  I have just got off the
> phone to weird science, I have got to praise the man ( sorry didn't
> get his name) on the other end, he was very polite, very clear and
> very very helpfull.
>  For those of you who don't know the cerberus is a new Multimedia
> machine, which weirdscience boast to be able to run both (spit) P.C
> and Amiga (Hurray) software.  ATM it will use a software Amiga, but
> when the inside out is availabe, you will be able to upgrade to this
> 8-)

I have just read the weird science mail shot, and couldn't help but notice
that "Cereberus" is just a wintel clone with UAE preinstalled. Why should
I buy a PC from Blittersoft/weirdscience when I can get one from Mesh or
Dell? I trust both of these suppliers,  because I use their machines at work
and they work as advertised. (they say that they are PeeCees and they
are PeeCees)

If you want to thrash  around with multiple operating systems on one
computer then you would get much better overall price/performance if
you  start with an iMac from Apple and install SoftWindows :-P Why
would you want to emulate Amiga when the real hardware is more Fun.

If you have your heart set on an inside out card then *shop around*!
The PC market is a large hulking monster with some very competetive
prices. It is in our interest to support amiga vendors, but not amiga
vendors who want to make a clean transition from amiga to PC, taking
regular customers with them. £1000 pre tax is a good price for a
system with these specs and a montor, but i'll wait for a  review in
PC Plus or pC PRo before buying.

Here is how Weird Science describe a PII 300Mhz...
"Feel the power of processors running so fast that they were in danger
of going back in time."

At least the Gordon Harwood mac adverts were upfront and honest.

If Weird Science don't want ppl to hear about "Cereberus"  then they
shouldn't have mailed an asshole like me :-)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

Oliver Kastl wrote:
>>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]
> Hmm, can't find a word on their website...

  Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
Netscape 4.06 grr.  (Linux).


bye,
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

On 14-Sep-98 04:49:11 [e-mail] Bill Eaves wrote:

>From: Bill Eaves <[e-mail]>

>Hello Chris

>On 13-Sep-98, Chris Seward wrote:

>> Anymore details you can find for me would be grately received,
>> I didn't go as its quite expensive to get to London from Liverpool

>It is even more so from the far north of Scotland as to get there I
>would  have to go by plane. In 1996 I went to the WOA by car and it
>took a week  there and then another to get back by car.

How the heck did it take a week to cross the UK by car? Over here we
could drive clear across the continent in less time.

>It would be nice to have the WOA somewhere else for a change, somewhere
> more central to the UK. Why everything always has to be held in London
>is a  mystery to me.

Perhaps because it is actually the World of Amiga-London.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: London Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

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From:               "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>


> >It is even more so from the far north of Scotland as to get there I
> >would  have to go by plane. In 1996 I went to the WOA by car and it
> >took a week  there and then another to get back by car.
>
> How the heck did it take a week to cross the UK by car? Over here we
> could drive clear across the continent in less time.

You have good and relatively empty roads, if you have driven in Scotland
and parts of England you will see the difference ;^) Small roads that are
mainly traffic jams do add a lot of time to a journey.

I also omitted to mention that as I was going so far we made a holiday of
it and stopped at a few places on the way there and back :-)

I cannot afford the time off work to do that every year though!


> Perhaps because it is actually the World of Amiga-London.

This is unfortunately the same for *everything* in the UK and not just
Amiga shows :-(


Regards,


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Christopher Andrews ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]

>Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
>Netscape 4.06 grr.  (Linux).

Weird Science website is weird. I haven't tried to access it with an
Amiga-browser but I've tried it with Netscape for Mac and Windows and
Internet Explorer (windows only). Guess what? Only Internet Explorer
shows it. Well, NS shows it but as soon as you try to see the ordering
page it crashes.

But otherwise WeirdScience is a good company. I ordered some things from
them recently and got the goods faster than from some companies in
my own country...

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Subject: [just-amiga] The better program for newsgroup is..?

From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>

Hello to everyone!
I want to know what is the best program for newsgroup
for Amiga.
At the moment I use Thor 2.5a, and is good.
I want to know if Monsoon, NewsRog and the new program
to use YAM 2 (YAM2NN) as a newsgroup reader works better
than Thor!
I've never tried the others because I'm happy with Thor, but
if another program is really better, I'm ready to change.

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Subject: [just-amiga] How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>

Hi All.

I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there actually
are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?


Gavin Williams
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>


 Chris Seward in reply to your:>[just-amiga] Re: W.O.A

>
> On 13-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
> >
> > No more details as yet, However I did go to this years show, but I
> > really don`t know why I bothered - I spent a small fortune,really
> > enjoyed myself and apart from that it was GREAT. :-)
>
> Anymore details you can find for me would be grately received,
> I didn't go as its quite expensive to get to London from Liverpool
> area and didn't know if it would be worth it :( i'll be at 1999 definatly
> maybe even with a AIO stall if the price is right :)
    I went and it was good !!!!!
    Apart from all the gooddies on sale there was plenty of advice
from all the stands there AND a bar!!!!!! :)
    I shall be there in 1999 and hopfully the new machine that PCeee
users will kill for. ( About time ).
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Matt Daniels <[e-mail]>

Hi,

> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Christopher Andrews ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>>>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]
>
>> Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
>> Netscape 4.06 grr.  (Linux).
>
> Weird Science website is weird. I haven't tried to access it with an
> Amiga-browser but I've tried it with Netscape for Mac and Windows and
> Internet Explorer (windows only). Guess what? Only Internet Explorer
> shows it. Well, NS shows it but as soon as you try to see the ordering
> page it crashes.

Voyager has no problem displaying it.

> But otherwise WeirdScience is a good company. I ordered some things from
> them recently and got the goods faster than from some companies in
> my own country...

And they support the development of new Amiga software.

Thanks
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 14-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
> Whose heard of the cerberus from Weird science then?

Not me, but i'll follow it up for the comming issue of AIO

> This has been put out without permission of weird science I hope they
> don't get mad but I thought this was worth shouting about Flame me
> personally if you have a problem with this 8-)
> Peace Zanthras

Is this a JUST-AMiGA exclusive ;)?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Raynald Le Moing <[e-mail]>

Le 15-Sep-98, Christopher Christopher Andrews wrote:

>CAFrom: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>CAOliver Kastl wrote:
>CA>>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]
>CA> Hmm, can't find a word on their website...

>CA  Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
>CANetscape 4.06 grr.  (Linux).

>CAbye,
>CA  Chris.

Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: [e-mail] (John R. Jira)

On 14 Sep 98 21:51:39 -0500 you wrote to me about [just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet
Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

> >It would be nice to have the WOA somewhere else for a change, somewhere
> > more central to the UK. Why everything always has to be held in London
> >is a  mystery to me.
>
> Perhaps because it is actually the World of Amiga-London.

I got a great ideal, let hold the next World of Amiga in San Diego CA. :-D

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Bill

>It is even more so from the far north of Scotland as to get there I
>would  have to go by plane. In 1996 I went to the WOA by car and it
>took a week  there and then another to get back by car.

Some of the cheap air fares that are available now would amount to
less than the cost of the petrol to drive.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

Raynald Le Moing wrote:
> Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)

  Very funny!  But I use linux at work so Netscape and StarOffice
are about the only options.  (I haven't looked through at the site
through StarOffice yet though).


bye,
  Chris.

ps.  ...and yes I have seenm it at home through both IB and V-NG

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: Sridhar Iyer <[e-mail]>

At 06:58 PM 15/09/98 +0100, you wrote:
>From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>

>I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there actually
>are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?

Well, in India SHAF , the distributors of AMIGA since 1996 claim to have
sold about 2500 A1200s every year. Does this help? The Indian market is
made up solely of Videographers who use it with a Genlock for titling
Wedding videos and assorted stuff.

Sridhar.

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Gavin

> From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>
>
> I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there actually
> are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?

Depending on who you talk to you will get widely differing answers.

I believe there were about 7 million sold in total world wide, over
1 million in the UK.

Not many are still in use however (a lot are A500s, although I believe
the A1200 was the best selling version overall).

In the UK, CU-Amiga sold 25,000 copies, and Amiga Format less.
Assuming there was some overlap of readership (some people buy
both magazines), and some people that buy neither, I'd put the
UK Amiga users at around 35,000 - of which the majority have
no plans to spend further money on Amiga equipment or software.
Perhaps there are 1,000 very active Amiga users in the UK that
regularly spend money on equipment or software.

Worldwide, figures vary between 100,000 and 500,000 Amiga users.
The most commonly accepted figure is 300,000. Again, only a
small percentage regularly spend money on Amiga sw/hw.

There are I believe about 8000 PowerPC Amiga users worldwide.

So a good Amiga software title could look forward to selling
perhaps 1,000 - 2,000 copies if it had wide enough appeal. Less
popular titles may only sell a few hundred. This is of course a
fraction of what sales could have been a few years ago, and is
also the reason so many developers have stopped developing for
the Amiga.

My figures are not based on hard fact, so I'll be happy to
discuss them...

  Tim

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From:               [e-mail] (John R. Jira)


> I got a great ideal, let hold the next World of Amiga in San Diego CA. :-D


Not a bad idea mate :-)
At least there would be somewhere interesting to see !

He he the flight between London and San Diergo would probably be less
hassle than the initial part in getting to London in order to fly out ! But at
least the destination would make the effort worthwhile and I would not
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From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>

I wonder if the sales figures for CU-A/AF are for this country only or
overall. If your figures are accurate that's quite a small %. It makes you
wonder really how companies such as Power Computing and Weird Science (both
of which I can't recommend enough, they are excellent) manage to keep their
heads above water. I have the unenviable job of working in IT so deal with
PCs on a daily basis. I have to say I have never dealt with a more crap OS
than Windows. The damn things just crash so bloody often it drives me mad.
Then I come home, boot up my A1200 (which boots in about 10 seconds instead
of 10 minutes) and it NEVER crashes. The ultimatedream amchine as far as I'm
concerned. Incidentally, make your 8000 PPC users 8001 as I've just got my
Blizzard 160/040/25 603+ with 32mb ram and am thoroughly pleased with it.
Makes a hell of a difference to Workbench speedwise. Quake still runs like a
dog though but hey it's worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Corringham <[e-mail]>
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Date: 16 September 1998 16:49
Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?


>From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)
>
>Hi Gavin
>
>> From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>
>>
>> I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there actually
>> are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?
>
>Depending on who you talk to you will get widely differing answers.
>
>I believe there were about 7 million sold in total world wide, over
>1 million in the UK.
>
>Not many are still in use however (a lot are A500s, although I believe
>the A1200 was the best selling version overall).
>
>In the UK, CU-Amiga sold 25,000 copies, and Amiga Format less.
>Assuming there was some overlap of readership (some people buy
>both magazines), and some people that buy neither, I'd put the
>UK Amiga users at around 35,000 - of which the majority have
>no plans to spend further money on Amiga equipment or software.
>Perhaps there are 1,000 very active Amiga users in the UK that
>regularly spend money on equipment or software.
>
>Worldwide, figures vary between 100,000 and 500,000 Amiga users.
>The most commonly accepted figure is 300,000. Again, only a
>small percentage regularly spend money on Amiga sw/hw.
>
>There are I believe about 8000 PowerPC Amiga users worldwide.
>
>So a good Amiga software title could look forward to selling
>perhaps 1,000 - 2,000 copies if it had wide enough appeal. Less
>popular titles may only sell a few hundred. This is of course a
>fraction of what sales could have been a few years ago, and is
>also the reason so many developers have stopped developing for
>the Amiga.
>
>My figures are not based on hard fact, so I'll be happy to
>discuss them...
>
>  Tim
>
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:39:33 +0100 , Riccardo Cretti thought [just-amiga] The better program for newsgroup is..? .

> From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>
>
> Hello to everyone!
> I want to know what is the best program for newsgroup
> for Amiga.
> At the moment I use Thor 2.5a, and is good.
> I want to know if Monsoon, NewsRog and the new program
> to use YAM 2 (YAM2NN) as a newsgroup reader works better
> than Thor!
> I've never tried the others because I'm happy with Thor, but
> if another program is really better, I'm ready to change.

give microdotii a go, i've used it for years and found it the best.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: London Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

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On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:57:54 +0100 , Bill Eaves thought [just-amiga] Re: London Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A .

> > Perhaps because it is actually the World of Amiga-London.
>
> This is unfortunately the same for *everything* in the UK and not just
> Amiga shows :-(
>
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:08:49   Gavin Williams wrote:
>From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>
>
>I wonder if the sales figures for CU-A/AF are for this country only or
>overall. If your figures are accurate that's quite a small %. It makes you
>wonder really how companies such as Power Computing and Weird Science (both
>of which I can't recommend enough, they are excellent) manage to keep their
>heads above water.

Simple. They both supply PC products aswell as Amiga.

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[just-amiga] The better program for newsgroup is..?

Hi Riccardo Cretti

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>
>
> Hello to everyone!
> I want to know what is the best program for newsgroup
> for Amiga.
> At the moment I use Thor 2.5a, and is good.
> I want to know if Monsoon, NewsRog and the new program
SNIP

NewsRog is very very powerful,but takes a lot of configuring. However
this adds up to your reading/viewing experiance once set up.


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Malcolm Harnden
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Subject: [just-amiga] Photogenics ...

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

Hi there,

Does anybody have the copy of Amiga Computing that gave away Photogenics ? I have lost my copy of the magazine, and after re-installation Photogenics is asking for the reg number (which is in the mag).

I'm installing it on UAE - i know it works, i have done it before, but i lost the mag and some other stuff in a car break-in.

Thanks for your help,
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From: Mike Child <[e-mail]>

> From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:39:33 +0100 , Riccardo Cretti thought [just-amiga]
The better program for newsgroup is..? .
>
>> From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>
>>
>> Hello to everyone!
>> I want to know what is the best program for newsgroup
>> for Amiga.
>> At the moment I use Thor 2.5a, and is good.
>> I want to know if Monsoon, NewsRog and the new program
>> to use YAM 2 (YAM2NN) as a newsgroup reader works better
>> than Thor!
>> I've never tried the others because I'm happy with Thor, but
>> if another program is really better, I'm ready to change.
>
> give microdotii a go, i've used it for years and found it the best.
> does online and offlne news, plus has email
> --
> Matthew O'Neill, agent WD40
Hmm.. I could do with some advice on this too, I lurk on a few newsgroups
through work but only recently got a connection at home.

I got the Net&Web package from HiSoft but don't consider it that great -
basically its IBrowse + AmiTCP 3.0 Beta + a less than impressive mail prog
and a similarly basic newsreader.

The newsreader won't let you read offline easily (the multiple select to
save messages seems a bit dodgy to me), sometimes mixes up the subject and
size data (in separate parallel windows) and insists on opening a post to
read in a window then returning you to the list when you close it ie. no
"Next message" never mind "Next Threaded".

YAM sorted out my email but YAM2NN (which I just checked out this evening)
needs AmiTCP 4.0+ so N&W lets me down again.

So I suppose its THOR or Microdot II...

actually I've just realised that this post is more motivated by having a
moan about Net&Web than anything else - sorry guys!

oh, hello btw :)

Mike Child
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: AIO NEEDS HELP!

From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>

You pleaded ...

> If you can help in anyway or distribute AIO to wide audiences then
>please get in touch, if you run a web page please add a link the the AIO
>web page at : *www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm *

It occurred to me that perhaps you could distribute a PicLink, like those infamous "Netscape NOW!" stickers you see on all the worst PC web pages ? For an example of what I mean, go to :

http://home.talkcity.com/HardDiskDr/amigaeagle/HTM-Files/PicLinx.htm

I could have a go at putting one together for you if you to send me your logo via an e-mail attachment ?

SeeYA,


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On 15 Sep 98 18:57:20 +0100, Matthew O'Neill wrote,

> remember though, many people come from europe to see these shows, so
> having them further up north would mean longer distances for them

But remember also, that it is often cheaper to fly from Europe into a
city airport, than into Gatwick/Heathrow, and certainly much easier to
get out of the airport ;-)

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Hi Gavin

> From: "Gavin Williams" <[e-mail]>
>
> I wonder if the sales figures for CU-A/AF are for this country only or
> overall. If your figures are accurate that's quite a small %. It makes you
> wonder really how companies such as Power Computing and Weird Science (both
> of which I can't recommend enough, they are excellent) manage to keep their
> heads above water.

The figures for the magazines are AFAIK total sales (not just UK).
The ABC figures for CU-Amiga July-December 1997 were 23,458 and I
understand it was falling (I don't have the more recent figures at
hand).

Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
survive only because the sell other stuff too.

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From: Bill Eaves <[e-mail]>

Hello Matthew

On 15-Sep-98, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

>>> Perhaps because it is actually the World of Amiga-London.
>>
>> This is unfortunately the same for *everything* in the UK and not just
>> Amiga shows :-(
>>
> remember though, many people come from europe to see these shows, so
> having them further up north would mean longer distances for them

So why not France, Belgium or even somewhere "else" in England other
than London.
Then you would at least get to visit somewhere worth going to ;^)

All these poor folk see of Britain is just London which is not a very
good advertisement for our country - there is far more to the UK than
just London.

Coming to the UK and just seeing London is like being stuck in an
airport lounge, you never see the rest of the place  :-(

So why should someon who has made the effort to come from Europe have to
be stick in London, it does not make sense, when *we* go abroad we go to a
city
with an airport and then get the hell out of there and go somewhere nice well
away from the city that just happens to have an airport but not much else.




Regards,

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From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>

And Ibrowse does! No problems here either!

/Mattias
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Den 15-Sep-98, skrev Raynald Le Moing:

>From: Raynald Le Moing <[e-mail]>

>Le 15-Sep-98, Christopher Christopher Andrews wrote:

>>CAFrom: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>>CAOliver Kastl wrote:
>>CA>>   http://weirdscience.co.uk   tel [phone]
>>CA> Hmm, can't find a word on their website...

>>CA  Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
>>CANetscape 4.06 grr.  (Linux).

>>CAbye,
>>CA  Chris.

>Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)

>Regards.
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And Ibrowse does! No problems here either!

/Mattias
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Den 15-Sep-98, skrev Raynald Le Moing:

>From: Raynald Le Moing <[e-mail]>

>Le 15-Sep-98, Christopher Christopher Andrews wrote:

>>CAFrom: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>>CAOliver Kastl wrote:
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>>CA  Nor can I, before even displaying anything it hangs
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>>CAbye,
>>CA  Chris.

>Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)

>Regards.
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Mattias Andersson wrote:
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> >Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)
> And Ibrowse does! No problems here either!


  Now look here!  Stop picking on me... sob sniff...


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Raynald Le Moing wrote:
> Sorry for the pick (really), but was so easy to do ;)

  s'okay,  I'm only playing around.  I do actually own full
versions of both Voyager and IBrowse, (soon to be followed by
AWeb if I don't get Javascript from the other two!)

  I browse from work so I'll just have wait until I go online
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>

Hi Bill,
  in reply to your:>[just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A
> From: [e-mail]
>
> From:               [e-mail] (John R. Jira)
>
>
> > I got a great ideal, let hold the next World of Amiga in San Diego CA. :-D
>
>
> Not a bad idea mate :-)
> At least there would be somewhere interesting to see !
>
> He he the flight between London and San Diergo would probably be less
> hassle than the initial part in getting to London in order to fly out ! But at
> least the destination would make the effort worthwhile and I would not
> have to *stay* in London :-)
 Do's this sound like you don't like us down south Bill :-)))
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Le 17-Sep-98, Christopher Christopher Andrews a =E9crit:

>CAFrom: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>CAMattias Andersson wrote:=20
>CA> From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>
>CA> >Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)
>CA> And Ibrowse does! No problems here either!


>CA  Now look here!  Stop picking on me... sob sniff...

Sorry for the pick (really), but was so easy to do ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 15-Sep-98, you wrote:


> I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there
actually
> are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?
>

This is probably impossible to answer! We know there are 118 because
there are 118 on this list ;)

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Great! first person to add that to their tag, thanks!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>

Sorry! Wont happen again!

/Mattias
[e-mail] UIN: 417142

Den 17-Sep-98, skrev Christopher Andrews:

>From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>Mattias Andersson wrote:
>> From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>
>> >Try Voyager on Amiga, maybe it goes ;)
>> And Ibrowse does! No problems here either!


>  Now look here!  Stop picking on me... sob sniff...


>bye,
>  Chris.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Photogenics ...

From: "Nicklas 'Alcom' Jönsson" <[e-mail]>



>From: "Olly" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: [just-amiga] Photogenics ...
>
>Hi there,
>
>Does anybody have the copy of Amiga Computing that gave away
Photogenics ? I have lost my copy of the magazine, and after
re-installation Photogenics is asking for the reg number (which is in
the mag).

hmmm... i dont know but you could try out almatheras website (thats
where I downloaded my copy of photogenics.) if it is still there...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Lodon Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: Bill Eaves <[e-mail]>

Hello Paul

On 17-Sep-98, Paul Dixon wrote:


>> least the destination would make the effort worthwhile and I would not
>> have to *stay* in London :-)
> Do's this sound like you don't like us down south Bill :-)))

After hours and hours in London airports recently - guess ;^)

Far too much light-pollution for me though, which was the main reason
I left Warrington many, many years ago.

The only regret I have for living where I do now is the total lack of any
decent ale :-(

Oh, and I nearly forgot - *the weather*   :-(


I *do* get miffed that everyone is always /expected/; to go on a long haul to
London and "southerners" never bother to go north of Watford for anything
though. Manchaster, Liverpool, Glasgow  and Newcastle (though also dreadful
places) do have good airport access and are far more central to the UK than
London.



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: The better program for newsgroup is..?

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:52:26 +0100 , Mike Child thought [just-amiga] Re: The better program for newsgroup is..? .

> I got the Net&Web package from HiSoft but don't consider it that great -

get netconnect!, its cool

yoyager
mdii
amtcp
amftp
amirc
and loads of other tcp, bbs stuff

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>

Hello Tim

On 16-Sep-98, you wrote:

>TC Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
>TC survive only because the sell other stuff too.

And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped amiga
support:(

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From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Thursday, September 17, 1998 9:14 PM, Paul Compton
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>
>
> Hello Tim
>
> On 16-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
> >TC Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
> >TC survive only because the sell other stuff too.
>
> And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped
> amiga
> support:(

Why do you believe this?
Is this just a guess or do you have read/heard some statement?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: London Yet Again :-(      was    Re: W.O.A

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 17-Sep-98,  Bill Eaves informed me of the following:

>So why not France, Belgium or even somewhere "else" in England other
>than London.
>Then you would at least get to visit somewhere worth going to ;^)

Yes! A World of Amiga show in Amsterdam would be great! And a lot cheaper
for me too! :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

On 14 Sep 98, at 17:26, Philip.M got thinking about:

>   For those of you who don't know the cerberus is a new Multimedia
> machine, which weirdscience boast to be able to run both (spit) P.C
> and Amiga (Hurray) software.  ATM it will use a software Amiga, but
> when the inside out is availabe, you will be able to upgrade to this
> 8-)

<Specs snipped>

 Sounds like a normal PC to me. The fact that it can run amiga
through software is suspicious - I do that using WinUAE.

 Unless I've missed something that is.


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Subject: [just-amiga] Dice

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

 I need help with Dice 3.15. I have installed the source release of
it and set up the required assigns, and i have copied the OS3.1
includes to dinclude:amiga31/ but I'm not sure what I need to do
next, or where to how to get/make any of the 3.1 linker libs.

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 15-sep-98, Chris Seward ([e-mail]) escribió:

> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 15-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
>
>> I got thinking the other night about  just how many Amigas there
> actually
>> are in the UK, or any other country for that matter?
>>
>
> This is probably impossible to answer! We know there are 118 because
> there are 118 on this list ;)

I've think i'm the only one from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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Subject: [just-amiga] YAM & Memory

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

Hi:

#1: Anyone know when a new YAM preview is out??

#2: 64mb is enough for a normal use of a A4000/060/CVPPC 8mb? Because i'll
go to buy memorys the next week and i don't know if is good to buy 4 16Mb
or 2 32Mb. 32Mb simms is hard to find here, Dimms is too populars. And in
the last 2 weeks the price of simms go very high. Two week ago the price
for a 32mb EDO simms is US$ 33, now is 45-60. But i can get a 16Mb EDO for
US$17,50. I've think i will get the 4 16mb simms.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Bill Eaves" <[e-mail]>

From:               "The LOGIC's" <[e-mail]>

Hi,

> I've think i'm the only one from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

There were certainly Amigas there in 1994. We visited Buenos Aires and
went to a Virtual reality games place. All of these seem to have been
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>

Hello Oliver

On 18-Sep-98, you wrote:

>OK>> TC Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
>OK>> TC survive only because the sell other stuff too.
>OK>
>OK> And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped
>OK> amiga
>OK> support:(

>OK Why do you believe this?
>OK Is this just a guess or do you have read/heard some statement?

One of my BBS users rang both trying to get a scsi board for his 1200 and
was told this over the phone:(


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From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>

Hello Oliver

On 18-Sep-98, you wrote:

>OK> And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped
>OK> amiga
>OK> support:(

>OK Why do you believe this?
>OK Is this just a guess or do you have read/heard some statement?

I just checked with power and they assured me that they were still 100% for
the amiga, which is good, I think my Co-sysop must have had a bad day;)

Paul

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: The better program for newsgroup is..?

From: Mike Child <[e-mail]>

> From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>
>
> On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:52:26 +0100 , Mike Child thought

> I got the Net&Web package from HiSoft but don't consider it that great -
>
> get netconnect!, its cool
>
> yoyager
> mdii
> amtcp
> amftp
> amirc
> and loads of other tcp, bbs stuff

Yeah between ordering and receiving N&W one of the mags did a rave
review of NetConnect and I would buy it but for one thing - the demo
of the whole thing on CUCD26 failed to install (can't remember what the
error was) which kind of put me off. Once I got YAM set up to my
taste, and then AmIRC from aminet which works fine (yes OK it costs
20 quid to reg. which I haven't yet and NC comes with it..) I only really
needed a newsreader so NC didn't seem so attractive (oh yeah and I
like IBrowse tho' I daresay Voyager's equivalent - havent given it a proper
go).

This evening I tried to get THOR going from Aminet and bah!! it failed to
install with "Basemanager failed to set up environment variables".

Maybe I will go for NC after all... I particularly don't like the idea of
running AmTCP 3 *Beta* when a quick look at that NC demo reveals
a nice shiny 4.0. Think I'll try installing that demo again and see what it
was that wouldn't happen...

Cheers
Mike Child


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: CERBERUS 8-)

From: Mike Child <[e-mail]>

> From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

> Sounds like a normal PC to me. The fact that it can run amiga
> through software is suspicious - I do that using WinUAE.
>
> Unless I've missed something that is.

I don't think you have. I got that press release today and sounds like a
PC to me. Weird Science's patter (and bad grammar) that "From the gates of
Hades spawned 'Cerebus' a coalescence of Beast and Machine into a Totally
Integrated Multimedia Home Entertainment System of awseome power" seems
bizarre to me - I can't help thinking that someone was struggling to sell
this thing without using the words "its a PC".

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Subject: [just-amiga] AIO Issue 16 OUT NOW

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             ___________    ________
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        Amiga Information Online issue 16 (September 1998) OUT NOW

   The latest issue of the magazine you all love is out now, packed full
     with reviews, news, articles, readers adverts and much much more,
   you must get hold of this issue! Read the special interview with the
    programmer of The Shadow of Time and the articles about MPEGs, the
         Amiga and many more interesting news storys and reviews.

                               Get it from :

Web :              www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm

FTP :                   aminet docs/mags/aiov16.lha

Email :                      [e-mail]

P.s. Sorry that I couldn't send AIO Issue 16 direct to the list but it
was just over 200k and people would complain about the size so if
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Subject: [just-amiga] Ramjam Consult

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 16-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

> Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
> survive only because the sell other stuff too.

If you read my interview with Weird Science and Epic Marketing a
few issues ago in AIO you will find they say they only do bussiness
about 10% for PCs and thats mainly the multiformat CDs only like
graphics CDs!

> ======================================================================
> Tim Corringham                            e-mail: [e-mail]
> Ramjam Consultants Ltd                       tel:  [phone]
> Reading, England                             fax:  [phone]
>

A lot off topic here but what is this Ramjam Consultants Ltd?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Re : London Yet Again :-(

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 17-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>

> Do's this sound like you don't like us down south Bill :-)))

Yeah, tisk! southerners ay? whats the world comming to ;)
Arrggg what d'you want to go and support a team like that
for, although i'm not a southerner its Arsenal all the way!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Blittersoft thumbs down!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

I'd just like to give Blittersoft the worst company of the month
award, i ordered 1 32mb chip for little over £35 and they have
taken over 2 weeks to deliver and I still have not seen it after
contacting them twice by phone. How many companys will charge
£4.50 p&p and take over two weeks for a simple order. Thumbs
down to blittersoft!
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: AIO NEEDS HELP!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 16-Sep-98, you wrote:

> You pleaded ...

Pleaded, hmmm makes me sound desperate ;)

> It occurred to me that perhaps you could distribute a PicLink, like
those infamous "Netscape NOW!" stickers you see on all the worst PC web
pages ?

Excellent idea! but is anyone interested in hosting one on there web
page?

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Subject: [just-amiga] To Christopher Andrews

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On 17-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

Hello CA!

>  I browse from work so I'll just have wait until I go online
> at home to see the darn page.  (Unless I try lynx!)

You could always visit the AIO web site from any browser at
www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm

With the added bonus that AIO Issue 16 is out now and just
online, great or what? I bet you can't control yourself!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 18-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Bill Eaves" <[e-mail]>

> There were certainly Amigas there in 1994. We visited Buenos Aires and
> went to a Virtual reality games place. All of these seem to have been
> controlled by A1200s :-)

Hmm when i went to the south cost of england about 2 years ago there
was some VR flightsim game and it used an a1200 for name input and
replys etc.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

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On 18-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: Paul Compton <[e-mail]>
>
> One of my BBS users rang both trying to get a scsi board for his 1200
and
> was told this over the phone:(
>

I don't actually believe this as both are still advertising!

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From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

Hi all, just wanted to tell you if you want to talk to me you can
find me with the IRC nick *AIOeditor* on the amiganet using server
thule.no.amiganet.org on channel #amiga  say hi if you see me ;)
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Subject: [just-amiga] VXL-030/RAM-32

From: "Craig D. McClure" <Lorraine_&/[e-mail]>

Does anybody have the jumper settings and support software for the Microbotics
VXL-030 and VXL RAM-32.

tnx,
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:54:47 +0200 , Oliver Kastl thought [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there? .

> > >TC Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
> > >TC survive only because the sell other stuff too.
> >
> > And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped
> > amiga
> > support:(
>
i seriously doubt this, powerc have invested way too much money to
just drop us. they still have ads in af, the web site says nothing.

if powerc drops miggy then af will loose 5 pages of ads.... :/
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:15:54 +0000 , Paul Compton thought [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there? .

>
> >OK> And I believe now that power computing and first computer have dropped
> >OK> amiga
> >OK> support:(
>
> >OK Why do you believe this?
> >OK Is this just a guess or do you have read/heard some statement?
>
> I just checked with power and they assured me that they were still 100% for
> the amiga, which is good, I think my Co-sysop must have had a bad day;)

you have no idea how much i was just crapping myself, do it again and
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: VXL-030/RAM-32

From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98, Craig D. McClure wrote:
>From: "Craig D. McClure" <Lorraine_&/[e-mail]>

>Does anybody have the jumper settings and support software for the
>Microbotics  VXL-030 and VXL RAM-32.

I have inherited a VXL-030  myself, but I can't find a ram board for it
do you have any suggestions... ?



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From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>


 Chris Seward in reply to your:>[just-amiga] Re: Re : London Yet Again :-(
> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 17-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
> > From: "Paul Dixon" <[e-mail]>
>
> > Do's this sound like you don't like us down south Bill :-)))
>
> Yeah, tisk! southerners ay? whats the world comming to ;)
> Arrggg what d'you want to go and support a team like that
> for, although i'm not a southerner its Arsenal all the way!
>
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Subject: [just-amiga] Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Nicklas 'Alcom' Jönsson" <[e-mail]>

Tombraider 3 & Wipeout -amiga versions???-

well it could be done but we need your help...
for more info check out...www.amigaflame.co.uk/amiwtr.htm

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Chris

> > Most Amiga dealers (including Weird Science and Power Computing)
> > survive only because the sell other stuff too.
>
> If you read my interview with Weird Science and Epic Marketing a
> few issues ago in AIO you will find they say they only do bussiness
> about 10% for PCs and thats mainly the multiformat CDs only like
> graphics CDs!

I think Weird Science wil try to build their PC side rather rapidly -
Cerberus is a sign of this.
>
> > ======================================================================
> > Tim Corringham                            e-mail: [e-mail]
> > Ramjam Consultants Ltd                       tel:  [phone]
> > Reading, England                             fax:  [phone]
> >
>
> A lot off topic here but what is this Ramjam Consultants Ltd?
>
It's a ltd company - what did you think it might be?

  Tim

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From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Nicklas 'Alcom' Jönsson ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Tombraider 3 & Wipeout -amiga versions???-

Is there a 3 or Tombraider? Well, I have heard rumours of a illegal PPC-port
of the original Tombraider. I even have the exe-file but since I don't
own a PPC-card I can't check if it's true or a hoax.

>well it could be done but we need your help...
>for more info check out...www.amigaflame.co.uk/amiwtr.htm

I'll check.

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On 19-Sep-98, you wrote:

>
> Is there a 3 or Tombraider? Well, I have heard rumours of a illegal
PPC-port
> of the original Tombraider. I even have the exe-file but since I don't
> own a PPC-card I can't check if it's true or a hoax.

I think that Tombraider 3 isn't out yet but it should be shortly or
something. How big is that exe file? surely tombraider would take
a whole CD! or do you also need the original pc cd aswell?

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Could I just ask everyone to enter a new topic if the mailing
goes completely onto another subject, its annoying to still
be seeing every mail about London WOA and Cerberus when
half of these new mails have nothing relivent with those topics.
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From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98, you wrote:

> It's a ltd company - what did you think it might be?

I don't know thats why i was asking, doh!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Chris Seward ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I think that Tombraider 3 isn't out yet but it should be shortly or
>something. How big is that exe file? surely tombraider would take
>a whole CD! or do you also need the original pc cd aswell?

The exe isn't that large but you do need the original graphic/sound
files.

I'll take a look, but to tell the truth I suspect it is a hoax. The
size of the archive is only 85 K! An exe-file, a couple of libs,
two graphic drivers and some other files which I have no idea
what they're supposed to do.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Ramjam Consult

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

Sat, 19 Sep 98 14:13:13

[just-amiga] Re: Ramjam Consult

Hi Tim Corringham

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------

> It's a ltd company - what did you think it might be?

Its also the company who sold PFS2, the best file system for your
Amiga and its also the company who`s porting Opera to the miggy.

Keep up the good work.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Ramjam Consult

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Its also the company who sold PFS2, the best file system for your
> Amiga and its also the company who`s porting Opera to the miggy.
>

Arrgg now i realise who they are ;) they are great!

> Keep up the good work.

Who to keep up the good work?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

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> The exe isn't that large but you do need the original graphic/sound
> files.

Ahh yes, i've seen that floating about, i didn't believe it so i didn't
download it. I think that was for tombraider 1 though! I think there
would have been BIG press coverage of it if it was real! ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 18-sep-98, Bill Eaves ([e-mail]) escribió:

> From:               "The LOGIC's" <[e-mail]>

>> I've think i'm the only one from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
>
> There were certainly Amigas there in 1994. We visited Buenos Aires and
> went to a Virtual reality games place. All of these seem to have been
> controlled by A1200s :-)

You're wrong by A3000. And here has a lot of A500 and A1200, but the
official dealer dissapear on 1994 (bankrupt i've think). Now we have 2-3
official thief. All appear on amiga.de official page, Look up and see.
There are giving pirate copys in that page.

And the prices!!! for example A1500 US$5000. Blizz060/603 US$3200.

I don't say too much, maybe someone is reading this...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Chris Seward ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> The exe isn't that large but you do need the original graphic/sound
>> files.

>Ahh yes, i've seen that floating about, i didn't believe it so i didn't
>download it.

Me neither, I got it mailed from someone.

>I think that was for tombraider 1 though!

Yes, I wasn't clear enough. But if it works, Tombraider 1 is better than
none.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Markus Adamski" <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98  16:55:41 Jonas Thorell wrote about "[just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3
-Amiga- ???":
>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

>I'll take a look, but to tell the truth I suspect it is a hoax. The
>size of the archive is only 85 K! An exe-file, a couple of libs,
>two graphic drivers and some other files which I have no idea
>what they're supposed to do.
Rather do *not* start it. I got such a archive a while ago, it had some
viruses in it.
BTW, try a simple version <library file name> FILE FULL and you'll see.



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Markus Adamski ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Rather do *not* start it. I got such a archive a while ago, it had some
>viruses in it.

I haven't. I don't have the original graphics so I didn't think it was worth
trying either way.

>BTW, try a simple version <library file name> FILE FULL and you'll see.

Oops. One being ixnet.library and one being bullet.library, the displaydrivers
were nicked from Superview and the rest were the destracker.library.

Most definately a hoax, as I suspected.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Nicklas 'Alcom' Jönsson" <[e-mail]>



>Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???
>
>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
>Markus Adamski ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>Rather do *not* start it. I got such a archive a while ago, it had
some
>>viruses in it.
>
>I haven't. I don't have the original graphics so I didn't think it was
worth
>trying either way.
>
>>BTW, try a simple version <library file name> FILE FULL and you'll
see.
>
>Oops. One being ixnet.library and one being bullet.library, the
displaydrivers
>were nicked from Superview and the rest were the destracker.library.
>
>Most definately a hoax, as I suspected.

Well i had this one too....so A bit of a warning here...

-- DO NOT RUN THE EXE-FILE!!! IT CONTAINS SOME STRANGE CODE --

even if you have a ppc it will complain about it not being found...
I took a quick disassembly of it with the "In Go" disasmbler and i'm not
sure but i found some deleting code inside (not sure, could have been
something else but it looks strange...)

all the rest of the files are just renamned librarys and stuff...

take care.

// Alcom //



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Subject: [just-amiga] 68060?

From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>

Hi all Amiga friends!!

Is there someone out there that has a kind of list
with information about programs that works and
those who *not* work with the *68060* processor?
If not....could someone please tell me what´s positive
and what´s "bad" with 68060?

I already got a list of games for all Amiga processors,
it´s called "It_goes".
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: AIO NEEDS HELP!

From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>

Hello Chris!

On 17-Set-98, you wrote:

>> It occurred to me that perhaps you could distribute a PicLink, like
> those infamous "Netscape NOW!" stickers you see on all the worst PC web
> pages ?

> Excellent idea! but is anyone interested in hosting one on there web
> page?

I am!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: The better program for newsgroup is..?

From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>

Hello Mike!

On 18-Set-98, you wrote:

> This evening I tried to get THOR going from Aminet and bah!! it failed to
> install with "Basemanager failed to set up environment variables".

I've downloaded the main archive of Thor 2.5, the Inet archive for
e-mail and newsgroups, and the patch for upgrade Thor to 2.5a.
And all worked perfectly... Thor is my official newsgroup reader now.
But I want to try the others, because there are many newsreader...

> Maybe I will go for NC after all... I particularly don't like the idea of
> running AmTCP 3 *Beta* when a quick look at that NC demo reveals
> a nice shiny 4.0. Think I'll try installing that demo again and see what
it
> was that wouldn't happen...

I think that Miami is really great!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 68060?

From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98, Martin Persson wrote:
>From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>
>Hi all Amiga friends!!

>Is there someone out there that has a kind of list
>with information about programs that works and
>those who *not* work with the *68060* processor?
>If not....could someone please tell me what´s positive
>and what´s "bad" with 68060?

If the're written properly, all programs will work on an 060.
If you are having apps crash & stuff, then I might suggest checking that
you have the correct 68060.library & the 68040.library.

68060's also do NOT like running with the cache & burst switched off too.

>-------------------------------------
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 68060?

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 20-sep-98, Martin Persson ([e-mail]) escribió:

> Is there someone out there that has a kind of list
> with information about programs that works and
> those who *not* work with the *68060* processor?
> If not....could someone please tell me what´s positive
> and what´s "bad" with 68060?

I'm very satisfied with my 060. I don't have problems but i don't try too
much games. The programs almost work very well.

Now i buyed the CVPPC 8mb and soon i will buy a Cheap 15" or 17" PC
monitor.

If you ask what i do with the board nothing yet because when i buyed the
board don't work fine and i have to send it to P5. 3 months later i have
the board again with me. Now i will test and try it.

Now only writes CDR, a little of internet and email.

                                           Bye, Gonzalo. The LOGIC's
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Subject: [just-amiga] A new game for Amiga

From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>

Hello!

This is my first letter to this mailinglist.
I just wanted to test and give information
to the list subscibers.

Last summer I created a game for Amiga.
It is called "Sparrow" and it's my graduation work
for "datanomi"-course. It can be found from the Aminet
/game/misc/sparrow.lha

If somebody wants to, I can email the 520 kilobyte
LHA-archive.

Keep the tractor going! (TM)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blittersoft thumbs down!

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

On 17 Sep 98, at 22:44, Chris Seward got thinking about:

> I'd just like to give Blittersoft the worst company of the month
> award, i ordered 1 32mb chip for little over £35 and they have
> taken over 2 weeks to deliver and I still have not seen it after
> contacting them twice by phone. How many companys will charge
> £4.50 p&p and take over two weeks for a simple order. Thumbs
> down to blittersoft!

 Similar to what I am currently experiencing - the shipping date for
my 1260 has been put back two weeks. And if I don't get it by the end
of this week, then they had better watch out...


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98,  Chris Seward informed me of the following:

>I think that Tombraider 3 isn't out yet but it should be shortly or
>something. How big is that exe file? surely tombraider would take
>a whole CD! or do you also need the original pc cd aswell?

NO!!!!!! NOT AGAIN!!! The TombRaiderPort is a FAKE!!!!!!

I know this because I programmed it. Or something. That way Youll
believe me...

Oh, and just to complete the thread:

DukeNukem 3D port: Works, no enemies, no sound, so no gameplay
Doom port: Yeah, they work :)
Descent port: no problems with the 68k version so far. PPC version crashes
Quake ppc port: yes, it works, and its fast too! :)
Abuse: Yes, it works.
Hexen: not yet, I hope someone tries it soon.
Heretic: see Hexen.
Quake 2: Just wait...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Abuse: Yes, it works.

Sort of. It's kinda buggy.

>Hexen: not yet, I hope someone tries it soon.
>Heretic: see Hexen.

I seem to recall seeing a rumour that the sources to these were released
but I've not seen anything official regarding that. Any news?

>Quake 2: Just wait...

For the port to be finished and some working 3D-accelleration. The port
alone won't suffice.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:

>I seem to recall seeing a rumour that the sources to these were released
>but I've not seen anything official regarding that. Any news?
Yes the Hexen and heretic sources have been released, thats why I said that
Id like to see someone giving them a try.

>>Quake 2: Just wait...
>For the port to be finished and some working 3D-accelleration. The port
>alone won't suffice.
Really? Why not?

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Subject: [just-amiga] PC Ports (was Tomraider)

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Sep 98, at 17:05, Robbin Van Ooy got thinking about:

> >>Quake 2: Just wait...
> >For the port to be finished and some working 3D-accelleration. The port
> >alone won't suffice.
> Really? Why not?

 Quake 2 would probably be OK on a PPC software only, but there are
more advanced games than this (and it sucks a bit - just not the same
oooh factor as Quake). As an example take Unreal: I've played it on a
P233MMX with 3D card (resolution 512x384) and it was OK, but still
jerky in places. I've also played it on a P2-266 with no 3D card and
it had to be run in 320x240 to be anywhere near the 3D card version.

 Even if software alone would work well, its still a good idea to
have decent 3D acceleration as this would improve things greatly.
Thats what happened with PCs (unfortunately gradually everything has
shifted to requiring a 3D card).

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>>Quake 2: Just wait...

>>For the port to be finished and some working 3D-accelleration. The port
>>alone won't suffice.

>Really? Why not?

Because it won't be fast enough. Maybe on the fastet 604 but on the 603,
I think you can forget it. At least with some higher resolutions.

I've seen it running on a P200 without 3D accelleration and it wasn't fun
at all. With a Voodoo card in it, it was more than fast enough on the other
hand.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:

>Because it won't be fast enough. Maybe on the fastet 604 but on the 603,
>I think you can forget it. At least with some higher resolutions.
>I've seen it running on a P200 without 3D accelleration and it wasn't fun
>at all. With a Voodoo card in it, it was more than fast enough on the other
>hand.

Hmm I always thought Quake2 was just a sort of upgrade pack, with some new
features, but basically the same features and engine.

Whats new in Q2 then? Apart from the flies? Are there any reflections or
something?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Hmm I always thought Quake2 was just a sort of upgrade pack, with some new
>features, but basically the same features and engine.

You thought wrong. The engines been upgraded, most notably that everything
is in vector-format (for lack of a better word) instead of some things being
bitmap objects. There's no bitmap enemies for instance so in higher resolutions
they never get blocky.

But I may be wrong in the above description.

All I know for certain is that the computer I played it on couldn't
handle the load without a Voodoo-card but Quake 1 ran fine. So something
has definately changed.

>Whats new in Q2 then? Apart from the flies? Are there any reflections or
>something?

Don't remember and my PC isn't up to the task of playing Quake2 so I can't
check right now either unfortunately.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A new game for Amiga

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:51:46 +0300 (EEST) , Matti Niskanen thought [just-amiga] A new game for Amiga .

> From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>
>
> Last summer I created a game for Amiga.
> It is called "Sparrow" and it's my graduation work
> for "datanomi"-course. It can be found from the Aminet
> /game/misc/sparrow.lha
>
will it work on vga monitor?
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Hi all,

Jonas Thorell wrote:
>>Abuse: Yes, it works.
>Sort of. It's kinda buggy.

As I am one of the guys who ported it, I would like to know what`s exactly
wrong with it ?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Sep 98 14:44:27 +0100 , Jonas Thorell thought [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? .

> >Abuse: Yes, it works.
>
> Sort of. It's kinda buggy.
>
I got that, but it just wont run, crashes everytime :((((
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Hi,

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>Yes the Hexen and heretic sources have been released, thats why I said that
>Id like to see someone giving them a try.

Where can I get those sources ?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 68060?

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On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:20:27 +1000 , Colin Wenzel thought [just-amiga] Re: 68060? .

> From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>
>
> On 21-Sep-98, Martin Persson wrote:
> >From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>
> >Hi all Amiga friends!!
>
> >Is there someone out there that has a kind of list
> >with information about programs that works and
> >those who *not* work with the *68060* processor?
> >If not....could someone please tell me whats positive
> >and whats "bad" with 68060?

mostly games.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Abuse

From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>

Hi Everybody,

>>> Abuse: Yes, it works.
>> Sort of. It's kinda buggy.

> As I am one of the guys who ported it, I would like to know what`s
exactly
> wrong with it ?

   Will there be a PPC version of Abuse. I've got a Blizzard PPC 240mhz
with a 25mhz 040.

   I installed the 040 version, but it isn't very fast. I think that a
re-compilation for PPC would be good, although with RTG-Master lib.
you'll have to use Warp-OS.

See ya.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 68060?

From: "Craig D. McClure" <Lorraine_&/[e-mail]>

Hello Matthew,

     I've been running my A2000 with a Phase5 Blizzard Board 060 for about 2
years.  I have not found too many things that won't run on the 060.  I suggest
staying  away from all the "old stuff" and there shouldn't be any problems.
My rule off thumb is if it won't run on OS2.X or higher don't run it.

Craig D. McClure


On 21-Sep-98, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
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>
> On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:20:27 +1000 , Colin Wenzel thought [just-amiga] Re:
68060? .
>
>> From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>
>>
>> On 21-Sep-98, Martin Persson wrote:
>>> From: Martin Persson <[e-mail]>
>>> Hi all Amiga friends!!
>>
>>> Is there someone out there that has a kind of list
>>> with information about programs that works and
>>> those who *not* work with the *68060* processor?
>>> If not....could someone please tell me whats positive
>>> and whats "bad" with 68060?
>
> mostly games.
>
> almost all apps should work, except some nasty amos ones
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Thomas Frieden ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>>Abuse: Yes, it works.
>>Sort of. It's kinda buggy.

>As I am one of the guys who ported it, I would like to know what`s exactly
>wrong with it ?

To be honest, I don't know if it's your code that's buggy or not. Something's
wrong though since I always gets this message upon startup:

Unable to open lisp cache file name t:lcache00.tmp
Closing sound system...Done

That's when I have t: on the harddisk where I prefer to have it. If I move
it to ram, everything's fine.

The options:

Commandline: Abuse -nocc -vdirect -nonet -resolution 320 200 -rtg -ahichan 10 -ahiboost 2

Version 1.2. I tried to download a later version before but the archive always
ended up corrupted (: From your site or Aminet didn't matter either.

There was one more error message in previous versions so you might have
found a work-around for that one. Don't remember what it was.

Otherwise it works fine, albeit a bit slow. A PPC-version in the pipeline?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill wrote:
>> >Abuse: Yes, it works.
>> Sort of. It's kinda buggy.
>I got that, but it just wont run, crashes everytime :((((
Try running without turning off the CD replay. Even without a CD, it
should work.

CU,

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98,  Thomas Frieden informed me of the following:

<snip Abuse>
>As I am one of the guys who ported it, I would like to know what`s exactly
>wrong with it ?

>--
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Perhaps youre also the one responsible for the DescentPPC port?
Could you tell me what the requierements are then?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Mattias Andersson <[e-mail]>

With a voodoo card you get lights and colorflares with alot of colors. I think
it looks nice. But without a voodoocard (and other 3d cards) it's nothing but
a Quake 1 update. Nothing special except great fun!

/Mattias

Den 21-Sep-98, skrev Robbin Van Ooy:

>From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

>On 21-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:

>>Because it won't be fast enough. Maybe on the fastet 604 but on the 603,
>>I think you can forget it. At least with some higher resolutions.
>>I've seen it running on a P200 without 3D accelleration and it wasn't fun
>>at all. With a Voodoo card in it, it was more than fast enough on the other
>>hand.

>Hmm I always thought Quake2 was just a sort of upgrade pack, with some new
>features, but basically the same features and engine.

>Whats new in Q2 then? Apart from the flies? Are there any reflections or
>something?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Jonas Thorell wrote:
>>As I am one of the guys who ported it, I would like to know what`s exactly
>>wrong with it ?
>
>To be honest, I don't know if it's your code that's buggy or not. Something's
>wrong though since I always gets this message upon startup:
>
>Unable to open lisp cache file name t:lcache00.tmp
>Closing sound system...Done
Hmm, I guess you`re using some alternative file system, like afs or pfs2.
Ixemul.lib doesn`t like those, as it does direct communication with the
file system...

>Otherwise it works fine, albeit a bit slow. A PPC-version in the pipeline?
No, see my other mail to the list about that (no PPC board here).

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>Perhaps youre also the one responsible for the DescentPPC port?
>Could you tell me what the requierements are then?
No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
the PPC version seems to be based on our source...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Abuse

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Hi,

Andrew Crowe wrote:
>   Will there be a PPC version of Abuse. I've got a Blizzard PPC 240mhz
>with a 25mhz 040.
Sorry, but I don`t have a PPC board, so I wouldn`t be able to test it, and
letting someone else test it would be too much of a hassle. But the source
is on our webstite, so everyone is invited to try :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Thomas Frieden ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>Unable to open lisp cache file name t:lcache00.tmp
>>Closing sound system...Done

>Hmm, I guess you`re using some alternative file system, like afs or pfs2.

Yep, PFS2.

>Ixemul.lib doesn`t like those, as it does direct communication with the
>file system...

Damn. Well, time to make a script me thinks...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A new game for Amiga

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98 01:51:46 [e-mail] Matti Niskanen wrote:

>From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>

>Last summer I created a game for Amiga.
>It is called "Sparrow" and it's my graduation work
>for "datanomi"-course. It can be found from the Aminet
>/game/misc/sparrow.lha

>If somebody wants to, I can email the 520 kilobyte
>LHA-archive.

So, what is the game like? Tell us about it.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Sparrow and VGA

From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>

On 21 Sep 1998, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> will it work on vga monitor?

It uses AMOS screens, so I'm afraid it won't.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Abuse

From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>

Hi Everybody,

On 21-Sep-98, Thomas Frieden wrote something which is obviously worth
replying to:
> From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

> Hi,

> Andrew Crowe wrote:
>>   Will there be a PPC version of Abuse. I've got a Blizzard PPC
240mhz
>> with a 25mhz 040.
> Sorry, but I don`t have a PPC board, so I wouldn`t be able to test it,
and
> letting someone else test it would be too much of a hassle. But the
source
> is on our webstite, so everyone is invited to try :)

   I'll beta test any PPC version. ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98,  Thomas Frieden informed me of the following:

>Where can I get those sources ?

If I remember correclty, I tried a search in AltaVista for

Sources+Hexen+Heretic

Give it a try. Perhaps "Sourcecode/s" works better.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 22-Sep-98,  Thomas Frieden informed me of the following:

>No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
>the PPC version seems to be based on our source...
Do you mind then?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>>No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
>>the PPC version seems to be based on our source...
>Do you mind then?
Mind what ?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 23-Sep-98,  Thomas Frieden informed me of the following:

>>>No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
>>>the PPC version seems to be based on our source...
>>Do you mind then?
>Mind what ?
You said that the PPC version is based on your source, do you care about
that?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Hans-Joerg Frieden <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>>>>No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
>>>>the PPC version seems to be based on our source...
>>>Do you mind then?
>>Mind what ?
>You said that the PPC version is based on your source, do you care about
>that?

We released the source code with the intent that someone does a PPC port.
It would have been too much of a hassle for us to do the port - we would
have to get a PPC-targeted compiler (relatively easy), compile the thing
(HARD work) and then get someone to test it. Even if the thing compiled,
it could be slow as hell, because of potentially many context switches, I
dunno...

The Problem with the current PPC port is that the author didn't include a
message or note in the archive that he did the port. The result is that
the two of us get mail about problems with it, and we cannot help...

Regards, Hans-Joerg (the other one of the ADescent authors :-)


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>>>>No, the PPC port is not from us, we (me and my brother) did ADescent, but
>>>>the PPC version seems to be based on our source...
>>>Do you mind then?
>>Mind what ?
>You said that the PPC version is based on your source, do you care about
>that?
No, I appreciate it. That's why we put the source on our webpage, anyway.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 23-Sep-98,  Hans-Joerg Frieden informed me of the following:

>We released the source code with the intent that someone does a PPC port.
Ow sorry, thought someone stole it or something :)

>The Problem with the current PPC port is that the author didn't include a
>message or note in the archive that he did the port.
OR proper documentation for the PPC specific usage...

So, Im still using the 68K version, which is surprisingly fast anyway :)

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Hi all,
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Subject: [just-amiga] RPG Beta testers wanted.

From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>

Hi Everybody,

   At the moment I'm producing an RPG for the amiga based on the square
soft game 'Chrono Trigger'.

   I need two Beta Testers:

   · someone with a fast 060.

   · someone with an old, slow 000/010/020.

   The games requirements are:

   about 1meg free chip (preferably 2megs) and about 4megs free fast,
and a monitor which can display PAL or NTSC. And obviously a Harddrive.


   I'd be glad if someone could beta test this as its only been tested
on 040's (/w PPC) and so I have to know how it performs on older
systems.

   Thanks in advance.

See ya.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blittersoft thumbs down!

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 21-sep-98, David McMinn ([e-mail]) escribió:

> From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 17 Sep 98, at 22:44, Chris Seward got thinking about:
>
>> I'd just like to give Blittersoft the worst company of the month
>> award

[..]

> Similar to what I am currently experiencing - the shipping date for
> my 1260 has been put back two weeks. And if I don't get it by the end
> of this week, then they had better watch out...

Don't worry i've receive the Gold Award to Patience. I've order a MK3 from
Softhut (I live in Argentina 4 days by UPS express) and the board has a
problem, i send it back a after 3 months i have with me again.* 3 Months!!*

I send it to Softhut, they to P5, then P5 to softhut and to me.

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Subject: [just-amiga] sampling

From: Cold Spring <[e-mail]>

Hello,

Is anyone out there selling an external sampler for the Amiga (I'm on
A1200)....?

Thanks!

Best wishes,


Justin


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: sampling

From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

Cold Spring wrote:
> Is anyone out there selling an external sampler for the Amiga (I'm on
> A1200)....?

  Hisoft are bundling MegaLoSound with SoundProbe v1 at the moment
for about £35, which seems like a nice deal.

    http://194.159.249.123/amiga/megalosound/index.html

bye,
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: RPG Beta testers wanted.

From: Elgersma <[e-mail]>

At 23:24 23/09/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>   At the moment I'm producing an RPG for the amiga based on the square
>soft game 'Chrono Trigger'.
I have an A1200/060 32Mb Fast I could beta-test it on for you and a vanilla
A1200, so... if you want me to beta-test it on both then get back to me.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Sparrow and VGA

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:03:27 +0300 (EEST) , Matti Niskanen thought [just-amiga] Sparrow and VGA .

> From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>
>
> On 21 Sep 1998, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
>
> > will it work on vga monitor?
>
> It uses AMOS screens, so I'm afraid it won't.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Sep 98 23:23:35 +0100 , Jonas Thorell thought [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? .

> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Thomas Frieden ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >>Unable to open lisp cache file name t:lcache00.tmp
> >>Closing sound system...Done
>
> >Hmm, I guess you`re using some alternative file system, like afs or pfs2.
>
> Yep, PFS2.

is that any good? what difference would it make to an ide drive? on
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Sep 98 20:04:37 +0100 , Jonas Thorell thought [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? .

> You thought wrong. The engines been upgraded, most notably that everything
> is in vector-format (for lack of a better word) instead of some things being
> bitmap objects. There's no bitmap enemies for instance so in higher resolutions
> they never get blocky.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. quake has no bitmap enemies as in AB3DII
or DOOM they are all polygons. haven't you played a network game
before?

> But I may be wrong in the above description.

indeedy ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] RPG Beta testers got.

From: Andrew Crowe <[e-mail]>

Hi Everybody,

   I'm afraid that I have enough beta testers now, so sorry to anyone
else who wanted to join it.

   Thanks for the support

See ya.
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On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:55:26 +0200 (CEST) , Thomas Frieden thought [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? .

> From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>
>
> Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> >> >Abuse: Yes, it works.
> >> Sort of. It's kinda buggy.
> >I got that, but it just wont run, crashes everytime :((((
> Try running without turning off the CD replay. Even without a CD, it
> should work.

oh, sorry, my fault! I didn't read the bit about decompressing the
DAT files now it works fine :)
although on my 030 is unplayable, why!? it's only a platformer, even
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. quake has no bitmap enemies as in AB3DII
>or DOOM they are all polygons. haven't you played a network game
>before?

Not in Quake, and to tell the truth I don't even like Quake. But if there's
polygons everywhere, no exceptions, why does it get blocky even in high
resolutions like >800x600? And what on earth have they added to the engine
in Quake 2 that makes it so much more demanding?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> Yep, PFS2.

>is that any good? what difference would it make to an ide drive? on
>030

A hell of a difference. Atleast here. As a speed test, I used ADoom. It takes
ages to load the .wad file on FFS (several minutes here). With PFS2, half
a minute at the most. And no invalideted harddisks is a god-send.
Or try using filedisks in ShapeShifter. That's a nightmare on FFS. On a
properly configured PFS2 setup, it's almost like using devicedisks.

And yes, this is IDE-harddisks on a 030 based A1200 here. Okay, one scsi
on the surfsquirrel but that's a cpu-hog too.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

(abuse)

>although on my 030 is unplayable, why!? it's only a platformer, even
>with lightsourceing off

Quite a complex platformer though. This is no Superfrog! And I would guess
that a major reason to why it's slow is that there is no (or am I wrong?)
Amiga-specific rewrites. I.e no blitter to ease the pain.

This is not a complaint BTW. My guess is that it's too damn much work to do
for a freeware-port.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: RPG Beta testers wanted.

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El 23-sep-98, Andrew Crowe ([e-mail]) escribió:

> Hi Everybody,

Hi!

>   At the moment I'm producing an RPG for the amiga based on the square
> soft game 'Chrono Trigger'.
>
>   I need two Beta Testers:
>
>   · someone with a fast 060.

I'll be one.

>   The games requirements are:
>
>   about 1meg free chip (preferably 2megs) and about 4megs free fast,
> and a monitor which can display PAL or NTSC. And obviously a Harddrive.

2 chip+40fast

How many Kb or Mb is the game??

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>

On 24 Sep 98, at 22:04, Jonas Thorell collapsed under the weight of:

> >noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. quake has no bitmap enemies as in AB3DII or
> >DOOM they are all polygons. haven't you played a network game before?
>
> Not in Quake, and to tell the truth I don't even like Quake. But if
> there's polygons everywhere, no exceptions, why does it get blocky even in
> high resolutions like >800x600? And what on earth have they added to the
> engine in Quake 2 that makes it so much more demanding?

 The enemies in q1 are polygons, but their textures are still
bitmaps, so its the textures that appear blocky but the enemies (arms
and head shapes etc.) are still well defined.

 In q2, I think they must have made the enemies out of more shapes,
i.e. in q1 you may have 5 shapes per enemy (2 arms, 2 legs,
head/torso) q2 would have one per body part i.e. (4 for arms, 4 for
legs separate head/torso, one for the gun). Also your gun/hands seem
to be polygons with texture mapping rather than just a bitmap in q2,
all weapon fire (bullets, explosions etc) seem to be made from
polygons and also sparks/blood/smoke etc look like they may be lots
of flat coloured polygons rather than texture mapped.

 And don't forget that q1 was a DOS game so they wrote their own 3d
code entirely, but q2 uses directx and also windows 95 slows things
down a lot.

 BTW. I'm assuming polygon to mean caluclated shapes mathematically.

 They may also have changed from doing time critical routines in asm
(in q1, smaller game) to using C(++) for everything in q2 (quicker
development time, they basically coulnd't be bother spending time
optimizing it, just wanted to release it and make money).


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From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 23-Sep-98,  Matthew O'Neill informed me of the following:

>although on my 030 is unplayable, why!? it's only a platformer, even
>with lightsourceing off
It was great on my 030/50 BlizzMark4!

Even faster than my PPC040 now :(
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Subject: [just-amiga] Quake1-2 (was: Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga)

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 25-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:

>Not in Quake, and to tell the truth I don't even like Quake. But if there's
>polygons everywhere, no exceptions, why does it get blocky even in high
>resolutions like >800x600?
Because those Polygons are texturemapped. And the textures are of a low
quality. So perhaps Q2 has better textures.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>

On 25-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:


>A hell of a difference. Atleast here. As a speed test, I used ADoom. It takes
>ages to load the .wad file on FFS (several minutes here). With PFS2, half
>a minute at the most. And no invalideted harddisks is a god-send.
>Or try using filedisks in ShapeShifter. That's a nightmare on FFS. On a
>properly configured PFS2 setup, it's almost like using devicedisks.

>And yes, this is IDE-harddisks on a 030 based A1200 here. Okay, one scsi
>on the surfsquirrel but that's a cpu-hog too.

And what has this to do with TombRaider3 then? :)

Change Subjects people!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: Hans-Joerg Frieden <[e-mail]>

Jonas Thorell wrote:
>Quite a complex platformer though. This is no Superfrog! And I would guess
>that a major reason to why it's slow is that there is no (or am I wrong?)
>Amiga-specific rewrites. I.e no blitter to ease the pain.
>
>This is not a complaint BTW. My guess is that it's too damn much work to do
>for a freeware-port.

Yes, Abuse was written with portability in mind. The changes we made are
very local, there's basically a few routines that needs to be adapted.
Remember, the original ran on Intel PC's, under Linux, on Alpha's, and on
SGI's, quite a varity of platforms for a platformer (sorry, couldn't
resist).

Adding anything amiga-specific would mean to re-write large chunks of the
engine... and this would not even speed up the interpretation of the
lisp-code - much of the opponents and game intelligence (approx. 8 % of
the source code) is Lisp, interpreted at run-time...

Regards, Hans-Joerg.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Abuse (was Tomraider 3 -Amiga-)

From: Thomas Frieden <[e-mail]>

Jonas Thorell wrote:
>>although on my 030 is unplayable, why!? it's only a platformer, even
>>with lightsourceing off
>
>Quite a complex platformer though. This is no Superfrog! And I would guess
>that a major reason to why it's slow is that there is no (or am I wrong?)
>Amiga-specific rewrites. I.e no blitter to ease the pain.
Yup, there's no stuff like blitter used here. The whole engine is based on
redrawing the whole screen every frame, with a few optimization when the
background isn't scrolling.

To get a little more speed, you can use a 320x200 screen (instead of
320x240 or 320x256). Makes it a bit faster...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A new game for Amiga

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Last summer I created a game for Amiga.
> It is called "Sparrow" and it's my graduation work
> for "datanomi"-course. It can be found from the Aminet
> /game/misc/sparrow.lha

What type of game is this?

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Subject: [just-amiga] JUST-AMiGA IRC channel

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

Hi all!,
 I have decided to set up a new JUST-AMiGA irc channel on ircnet,
the channel will be called #just-amiga and meeting times will be
Saturdays at

UK : 9pm-12am
CET : 10pm-1am (Holland etc)
CANADA : 5:30pm-8:30 (Newfoundland area, Approx)

You can access this channel by joining servers :-

irc.stealth.net
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I hope to see you all there! Look out for me with the handle
AIOeditor or stick me in your notify ;)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blittersoft thumbs down!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Similar to what I am currently experiencing - the shipping date for
> my 1260 has been put back two weeks. And if I don't get it by the end
> of this week, then they had better watch out...

In the end it took three weeks to be delivered. I'm glad i've got
my simm now and it all worked fine but Blittersoft are still
crap for service as far as i'm concerned.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: AIO NEEDS HELP!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 19-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: Riccardo Cretti <[e-mail]>

> Hello Chris!

Hi Riccardo!!!

> I am!

Well i'll see what I can do to get one made up!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ???

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 21-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Unable to open lisp cache file name t:lcache00.tmp
> Closing sound system...Done
>

It seems that I also get this message from the original game
that a friend lent me. The demo worked fine although I don't
think i'm missing much as its slooow in a Blizzard 030/50 and
the game didn't look to exciting anyway!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

Hi all on the list. I am currently starting a project to make an
Amiga version of Grand Theft Auto on the Playstation and PC.
It will be tailored to the Amiga and be different in parts for
obvious copyright reasons but will feature the basic GTA
idea. I am trying to put a team together to make this, so far
I have got a musician lined up but need programmers who
can program in Assembler or C. Someone who can do the main
in-game graphics and someone who can render 3d scenes for
title screens and before levels.

If anyone can help in anyway please reply!
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: How many Amiga users are there?

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 19-sep-98, Bill Eaves ([e-mail]) escribió:

> Hello The

Hi Bill!

>> From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>
>>> There were certainly Amigas there in 1994. We visited Buenos Aires and
>>> went to a Virtual reality games place. All of these seem to have been
>>> controlled by A1200s :-)
>
>> You're wrong by A3000.
>
> Looked like an A1200 to me but then I had only just bought my first Amiga
so I
> could be wrong :-)
>
> Seems you may know, were you working there ?

A thief from these Amiga shops, one day go to see and discover what have
inside that Virtual Reality machine. A technician is working with one just
in that moment, he ask what have inside because he think is an amiga. The
technician don't say nothing. After the tech.. go away he unplug the
machine and plug again to the outlet. In the boot session he discover is a
A3000. If you see the graphics is not better than ECS.

>> There are giving pirate copys in that page.
>
>> And the prices!!! for example A1500 US$5000. Blizz060/603 US$3200.
>
> What !  It would be cheaper for you to import from USA or Europe. Those
prices
> are stupid.

Of course i'm a very important importer from USA. All my stuff come from
USA. And i have to pay 50% customs fees and is cheaper too!!

My A4000 come from Canada and the boards from USA.

>> I don't say too much, maybe someone is reading this...
>
> I replied in private.

No problem. I'll post it to the list.


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Subject: [just-amiga] pfs2 and surf

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[just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? gets dragged on once more......

> >> Yep, PFS2.
>
> >is that any good? what difference would it make to an ide drive? on
> >030
>
> A hell of a difference. Atleast here. As a speed test, I used ADoom. It takes
> ages to load the .wad file on FFS (several minutes here). With PFS2, half
> a minute at the most. And no invalideted harddisks is a god-send.
> Or try using filedisks in ShapeShifter. That's a nightmare on FFS. On a
> properly configured PFS2 setup, it's almost like using devicedisks.

2 minutes!!??? you do have some buffers set don't you? it takes 20
seconds on my 030 ide drive. I cant install it anyway, I would have to
format my whole drive!

> And yes, this is IDE-harddisks on a 030 based A1200 here. Okay, one scsi
> on the surfsquirrel but that's a cpu-hog too.

Is the surf any good? I might be getting one second hand with an
external 4x cd drive, £80 ish
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[just-amiga] Re: Abuse (was Tomraider 3 -Amiga-) gets dragged on once more......

> Yup, there's no stuff like blitter used here. The whole engine is based on
> redrawing the whole screen every frame, with a few optimization when the
> background isn't scrolling.

yeah, I noticed them

> To get a little more speed, you can use a 320x200 screen (instead of
> 320x240 or 320x256). Makes it a bit faster...

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Subject: [just-amiga] quake

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

[just-amiga] Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga- ??? gets dragged on once more......

> >noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. quake has no bitmap enemies as in AB3DII
> >or DOOM they are all polygons. haven't you played a network game
> >before?
>
> Not in Quake, and to tell the truth I don't even like Quake. But if there's
> polygons everywhere, no exceptions, why does it get blocky even in high
> resolutions like >800x600? And what on earth have they added to the engine
> in Quake 2 that makes it so much more demanding?
>
but it doesn't get blocky!? the only thing which does are the texture
maps, they can't be infinitely smooth. I love quake, I never loose at
quake, quake fears me, quake obeys me. I am quakes master,
mwahahahahh...........
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 26-Sep-98, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
>> >is that any good? what difference would it make to an ide drive?
>> on 030
>> A hell of a difference. Atleast here. As a speed test, I used ADoom.
>> It takes ages to load the .wad file on FFS (several minutes here).
>> With PFS2, half a minute at the most. And no invalideted harddisks
>> is a god-send.
>> Or try using filedisks in ShapeShifter. That's a nightmare on FFS. On a
>> properly configured PFS2 setup, it's almost like using devicedisks.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Shapeshifter & ADoom are the same here,  I have to set HEAPS of buffers.

They load like a rocket now.   Shapeshifter is up in 15 seconds.


I use 1500 buffers.......

If you dont want to sacrifice the memory, make a batch file to run them
& execute it from the toolbar or whatever.  Then...   (if in DH1:)


    Addbuffers DH1: 1500   ;add 1500 buffers
    cd dh1:mac/            ; or where adoom is
    ShapeShifter QUICK     ; or ADoom
    Addbuffers DH1: -1500  ;restore normal buffers again.


>-------------------------------------
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>    Addbuffers DH1: 1500   ;add 1500 buffers
>    cd dh1:mac/            ; or where adoom is
>    ShapeShifter QUICK     ; or ADoom
>    Addbuffers DH1: -1500  ;restore normal buffers again.

That's a possibility, sure. But a question while I'm at it: in what kind
of memory is the buffers stored? I've heard that it has to be in
chipmem but am not sure about that.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>2 minutes!!??? you do have some buffers set don't you?

Sure, it was ages since I used FFS but if I remember correctly I
had to add some 1500 or 1600 buffers for it to load with any
speed.

>it takes 20 seconds on my 030 ide drive. I cant install it anyway, I would have to
>format my whole drive!

How much room do you have left? You can add it to one partition at the time. I.e.
copy all of the contents on Dh3 to a temp directory to Dh0 and install PFS2 on
DH3 then copy the contents back. And do the same for all partitions.

>Is the surf any good? I might be getting one second hand with an
>external 4x cd drive, £80 ish

It's alright. I can't blame the serial-port, that one's good. The SCSI-interface
grabs too much CPU-time unfortunately. When using my streamer with it, the
computer reacts very slowly. I destroyed a couple of empty CD's due to it
to. But if you only want it for a CD and maybe a harddisk or two, it's
alright.

But I think the price is a bit steep, even including the 4x drive.

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agree with me or take a hike! I'm right, period! End of discussion!
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From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

>Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>    Addbuffers DH1: 1500   ;add 1500 buffers
>>    cd dh1:mac/            ; or where adoom is
>>    ShapeShifter QUICK     ; or ADoom
>>    Addbuffers DH1: -1500  ;restore normal buffers again.

>That's a possibility, sure. But a question while I'm at it: in what kind
>of memory is the buffers stored? I've heard that it has to be in
>chipmem but am not sure about that.

It's not a possibility - _it actually works_,  I use it all the time,
just make a few batch file s for the progs that need it & stick them
in the s: directory & set the script bit.

BTW, DO NOT use 'Run' on the actual program, it must return & then
execute the rest of the batch file to free the memory, _after_ it finishes.


Now, "What sort of memory does it use"......

Who the F%$&k cares, you can't change it anyway, the Addbuffers exe
knows what to do,  just use it....

If you're short of ram ....  Buy some more... It's cheap as dog crap.

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From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Now, "What sort of memory does it use"......

>Who the F%$&k cares,

I do and you should too. You really don't want to waste chipmem unneccessarily.
That commodity is rare enough as it is. PFS helped a lot concerning the buffers,
no matter if they're stored in chip or fast. In order to get Doom to load without
me having to go on a walk around the block while it loads I had to set the buffers
up to 1500 or so. PFS uses 300 and still loads quicker. FFS is crap.

>If you're short of ram ....  Buy some more... It's cheap as dog crap.

Then tell me how you managed to add some chipmem? And tell me how I'm supposed
to add more than my 32 megs of fast ram when there's no more place to put the
memory and the accellerator won't accept SIMMS larger than 32 meg anyway.

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[just-amiga] Amiga Grand Theft Auto! gets dragged on once more......

> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi all on the list. I am currently starting a project to make an
> Amiga version of Grand Theft Auto on the Playstation and PC.

Why not ask the authors if you can just port it?

GTA was originally designed to be an amiga game, and apparently they
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>> Now, "What sort of memory does it use"......
>
>> Who the F%$&k cares,
>
> I do and you should too. You really don't want to waste chipmem
> unneccessarily. [...]
Try to obtain facts by typing:
avail
addbuffers ffs: 1000
avail

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[just-amiga] Re: Blittersoft thumbs down! gets dragged on once more......

> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> On 21-Sep-98, you wrote:
>
> > Similar to what I am currently experiencing - the shipping date for
> > my 1260 has been put back two weeks. And if I don't get it by the end
> > of this week, then they had better watch out...
>
> In the end it took three weeks to be delivered. I'm glad i've got
> my simm now and it all worked fine but Blittersoft are still
> crap for service as far as i'm concerned.

It's really not blittersoft's fault. the 060s are in short supply,
it's hard to find them, so that means p5 take longer to distribute
them. It would have been the same no matter who you ordred it from.
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From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
-snip-

>Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>Now, "What sort of memory does it use"......
>>Who the F%$&k cares,

>I do and you should too. You really don't want to waste chipmem
>unneccessarily.
-snip-

>>If you're short of ram ....  Buy some more... It's cheap as dog crap.

>Then tell me how you managed to add some chipmem? And tell me
>how I'm supposed to add more than my 32 megs of fast ram when
>there's no more place to put the memory and the accellerator
> won't accept SIMMS larger than 32 meg anyway.

I have 16Mb of fast & that never runs below 4Mb free...

I seldom go below 1.1 Mb free of chipmem,
with IBrowse,STRICQ,AmiComSYS, YAM & Miami all running simultaneously.

You can wack in PPaint & DirOpus too & that still leaves 0.6mB.

Just route some of the blitter (chip hungry) stuff into fast ram....

Check out:  FBlit,  by Steven Brookes.

http://homepages.enterprise.net/et/ware.html


>-------------------------------------
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Saturday, September 26, 1998 12:56 PM, Matthew O'Neill
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> From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>
>
> [just-amiga] Amiga Grand Theft Auto! gets dragged on once more......
>
> > From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
> >
> > Hi all on the list. I am currently starting a project to make an
> > Amiga version of Grand Theft Auto on the Playstation and PC.
>
> Why not ask the authors if you can just port it?
>
> GTA was originally designed to be an amiga game, and apparently they
> were half way through it anyway

Good idea!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Saturday, September 26, 1998 4:38 PM, Jonas Thorell
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >    Addbuffers DH1: 1500   ;add 1500 buffers
> >    cd dh1:mac/            ; or where adoom is
> >    ShapeShifter QUICK     ; or ADoom
> >    Addbuffers DH1: -1500  ;restore normal buffers again.
>
> That's a possibility, sure. But a question while I'm at it: in what kind
> of memory is the buffers stored? I've heard that it has to be in
> chipmem but am not sure about that.

It is stored in a memory allocated according to BufMemType, which is
usually MEMF_ANY|MEMF_PUBLIC (any memory what is there, FastMem first)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I have 16Mb of fast & that never runs below 4Mb free...

Are you sure you're using your Amiga ;-)

I have 32 as I said and am sometimes really low on memory (i.e. 2-3 meg
free altogether). And eight of those megs are in use just by having booted
up. I'd really like some more megabytes of fastram.

>I seldom go below 1.1 Mb free of chipmem,
>with IBrowse,STRICQ,AmiComSYS, YAM & Miami all running simultaneously.

StrICQ, AmiComSYS, Yam and Miami on the workbench and Ibrowse on its own
screen I suppose? How many colours on the Ibrowse screen.

But my chipmem count is around 1.9 meg normally but that still isn't
enough at times. Try to load CapitalPunishment from the workbench and
you'll see. It wants the 140 k that goes to god knows where.

>You can wack in PPaint & DirOpus too & that still leaves 0.6mB.

And no room for any larger pictures in PPaint.

>Just route some of the blitter (chip hungry) stuff into fast ram....

Picasso96 does that for me, on the system friendly programs anyway.

>Check out:  FBlit,  by Steven Brookes.

No thanks. It gave me trouble when I was stuck with AGA and now I have
no need for it.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: RPG Beta testers got.

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 24-Sep-98, you wrote:

>   I'm afraid that I have enough beta testers now, so sorry to anyone
> else who wanted to join it.

Do you have any information or screenshots I can enclude in
AIO? thanks!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

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On 26-Sep-98, you wrote:


>> Why not ask the authors if you can just port it?
>>
>> GTA was originally designed to be an amiga game, and apparently they
>> were half way through it anyway
>
> Good idea!

Yeah but do either of you have there contact addresses,
whats the chances of the letting me, slim i think!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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[just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf gets dragged on once more......

> >2 minutes!!??? you do have some buffers set don't you?
>
> Sure, it was ages since I used FFS but if I remember correctly I
> had to add some 1500 or 1600 buffers for it to load with any
> speed.

I have about 500 per drive, it goes well nice :)

> >it takes 20 seconds on my 030 ide drive. I cant install it anyway, I would have to
> >format my whole drive!
>
> How much room do you have left? You can add it to one partition at the time. I.e.
> copy all of the contents on Dh3 to a temp directory to Dh0 and install PFS2 on
> DH3 then copy the contents back. And do the same for all partitions.

Thats what I tried doing! I copied my 150meg net: partion onto
work:net/ then tried adding it to the rdb. but it just wouldnt' work
each time i rebooted after finishing, it would say please insert
volume hd2: (net:) so it wasn't being noticed.

Then I read something in the guide about having to add it to the
entire drive or something, so i gave up

> >Is the surf any good? I might be getting one second hand with an
> >external 4x cd drive, 80 ish
>
> It's alright. I can't blame the serial-port, that one's good. The SCSI-interface
> grabs too much CPU-time unfortunately. When using my streamer with it, the
> computer reacts very slowly. I destroyed a couple of empty CD's due to it
> to. But if you only want it for a CD and maybe a harddisk or two, it's
> alright.

hmmmmm, so its not brilliant then? the second serial sounds good, max
speed of 240,000, but the top speed is 2.5m/sec with a high cpu usage
:/

> But I think the price is a bit steep, even including the 4x drive.

what would you reccommend?
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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[just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf gets dragged on once more......


> That's a possibility, sure. But a question while I'm at it: in what kind
> of memory is the buffers stored? I've heard that it has to be in
> chipmem but am not sure about that.

If it was in chipmem then would I have 3 partions with 500 buffers?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> How much room do you have left? You can add it to one partition at the
>> time. I.e. copy all of the contents on Dh3 to a temp directory to Dh0 and
>> install PFS2 on DH3 then copy the contents back. And do the same for all
>> partitions.

>Thats what I tried doing! I copied my 150meg net: partion onto
>work:net/ then tried adding it to the rdb. but it just wouldnt' work
>each time i rebooted after finishing, it would say please insert
>volume hd2: (net:) so it wasn't being noticed.

It sounds like something in your startup-sequence or user-startup is
trying to access something on HD2: that´s not there.

If you want to give it one more try, do like this:

1.Add PFS2 to the RDB (not dangerous).
2 Copy the partition to a temp drawer onto work:net/ as you tried before.
3.Start HDToolbox and change filesystem on HD2 to PFS2. Save changes. This
  will require a reboot. Do so but boot without startup-sequence and
  make sure env: is available. Use loadwb. Now you have a minimal workbench.
  There should be a DH2:PFS2 icon. Select it and format the drive (quick will
  do). Make sure the name is the one you used before.
4. Open a shell and cd to work:net/.
   Copy #? all CLONE to net:
5. Finally, reboot.

Now you should have PFS2 on NET:.

>Then I read something in the guide about having to add it to the
>entire drive or something, so i gave up

You must have it on the RDB but all partitions does not have to use it.

>hmmmmm, so its not brilliant then?

No, but not worse than any other cpu-controlled controller. The faster
cpu you have, the better it gets.

>> But I think the price is a bit steep, even including the 4x drive.

>what would you reccommend?

Try to offer the seller a lower price and see if he goes along with
it. But if you only wants it for the serialport and the CD-ROM,
buy a whippet for the serial and attach a IDE-CDROM to the internal
port. On second thought, that would be more expensive so the squirrel
might be the best bet. For harddisks, CD-ROMS and IDE-drives it´s more
than adequate. CD-writers and streamers are not as fun to use with it.

What accellerator do you have? If it´s a Blizzard of some sort, see if you
can get hold of a SCSI-interface to that one. Much, much better than the
squirrel.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:14:52 +0000

[just-amiga] Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

Hi Chris Seward

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi all on the list. I am currently starting a project to make an
> Amiga version of Grand Theft Auto on the Playstation and PC.
> It will be tailored to the Amiga and be different in parts for
> obvious copyright reasons but will feature the basic GTA
> idea. I am trying to put a team together to make this, so far
> I have got a musician lined up but need programmers who
> can program in Assembler or C. Someone who can do the main
> in-game graphics and someone who can render 3d scenes for
> title screens and before levels.
SNIP

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Malcolm Harnden" <[e-mail]>

26 Sep 98 17:42:24 +0100

[just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

Hi Jonas Thorell

My modest reply to your....
---------------------------


> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >Now, "What sort of memory does it use"......
>
> >Who the F%$&k cares,

> Then tell me how you managed to add some chipmem? And tell me how I'm supposed
> to add more than my 32 megs of fast ram when there's no more place to put the
> memory and the accellerator won't accept SIMMS larger than 32 meg anyway.
SNIP

A correctly configured PFS2 uses Fastmem only. Leaves valuable chip
mem alone. (Even though I have 10Mbs of chip mem every little helps)




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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Malcolm Harnden ([e-mail]) wrote:

>A correctly configured PFS2 uses Fastmem only.

So I´ve been told. I hadn´t bothered to check it before but now I
have, it does indeed-

>Leaves valuable chip mem alone.

Yep. If I only knew what it is on my system that eats away almost 200 k
of it. For those that have had gfx-cards for some time: what exactly can
be placed in fastmem instead of chipmem when running on P96/CGX?
The screen(s) and a possible backdrops only? Windows? Icons?

>(Even though I have 10Mbs of chip mem every little helps)

Indeed.

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On 27-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

>Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>I have 16Mb of fast & that never runs below 4Mb free...
>Are you sure you're using your Amiga ;-)

Sure am, been doing so since 1986....
I will say that Shapeshifter is a bit hungry, when I get it going with
8mb ram, I have to be carefull when running all the other stuff too.

>I have 32 as I said and am sometimes really low on memory (i.e. 2-3 meg
>free altogether). And eight of those megs are in use just by having booted
>up. I'd really like some more megabytes of fastram.

I have 15.2 Mb after booting, I think you should check you disk buffers
& other stuff you have in startup.

Try booting with No-Startup,  (2 mouse buttons down on a reboot)
& then type 'avail'  to see if all your memory is there first.

>>I seldom go below 1.1 Mb free of chipmem,
>>with IBrowse,STRICQ,AmiComSYS, YAM & Miami all running simultaneously.
>StrICQ, AmiComSYS, Yam and Miami on the workbench and Ibrowse on its own
>screen I suppose? How many colours on the Ibrowse screen.

All the apps are on their own screens, 2 & 3 planes, (4-8 colors)
except IBrowse which is on 8 planes..  PAL Hires  724 x 282.

>But my chipmem count is around 1.9 meg normally but that still isn't
>enough at times. Try to load CapitalPunishment from the workbench and
>you'll see. It wants the 140 k that goes to god knows where.

Dunno, dont have that one.....

>>You can wack in PPaint & DirOpus too & that still leaves 0.6mB.
>And no room for any larger pictures in PPaint.

It's fine as long as the picture is no bigger than 800x600. 8bit.


>>Just route some of the blitter (chip hungry) stuff into fast ram....

>Picasso96 does that for me, on the system friendly programs anyway.

I dunno about that, I still run AGA - PAL HIRES.



>>Check out:  FBlit,  by Steven Brookes.

>No thanks. It gave me trouble when I was stuck with AGA and now I have
>no need for it.

Early versions wre a bit 'funky' but it's quite good now, the only
program I have that has problems is UEdit, it does it's own blit.
The cursor does strange things.


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

On 26-Sep-98 12:54:08 [e-mail] Matthew O'Neill wrote:

>From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

>> How much room do you have left? You can add it to one partition at
>> the time. I.e. copy all of the contents on Dh3 to a temp directory to
>> Dh0 and install PFS2 on DH3 then copy the contents back. And do the
>> same for all partitions.

>Thats what I tried doing! I copied my 150meg net: partion onto
>work:net/ then tried adding it to the rdb. but it just wouldnt' work
>each time i rebooted after finishing, it would say please insert
>volume hd2: (net:) so it wasn't being noticed.

>Then I read something in the guide about having to add it to the
>entire drive or something, so i gave up

How big is the drive you're talking about? There was a limitation with
one version of AFS that prevented it from working on large drives.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

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Should we ask clickBoom if they would find out about the original
Amiga Version??  it would be nice to have the original game.  It has a
cool sound track 8-)
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I have 15.2 Mb after booting, I think you should check you disk buffers
>& other stuff you have in startup.

4 harddisks with a buffer of 300 each. Yes, there´s plenty of software
loading at boot but none that I could live without. The things there
are too valuable.

>Try booting with No-Startup,  (2 mouse buttons down on a reboot)
>& then type 'avail'  to see if all your memory is there first.

It was last time I did that and now I can´t (: I hate using SVGA monitors.
No early startup-menu, no guru-display in case it happens, no Scala
and very few games.

>>StrICQ, AmiComSYS, Yam and Miami on the workbench and Ibrowse on its own
>>screen I suppose? How many colours on the Ibrowse screen.

>All the apps are on their own screens, 2 & 3 planes, (4-8 colors)
>except IBrowse which is on 8 planes..  PAL Hires  724 x 282.

What kind of weird resolution is that? But it could explain how you can
have so much chipmem free. When I used AGA for everything I had my workbench
set to DBLPAL:Hires-noflicker 640x512 plus some overscan. 5 bitplanes. Aweb
used the same res but with 6 bitplanes. The chipmem went down...

>Early versions wre a bit 'funky' but it's quite good now, the only
>program I have that has problems is UEdit, it does it's own blit.
>The cursor does strange things.

Try to add it to Fblits exclude list, it may help.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Colin Wenzel <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
>4 harddisks with a buffer of 300 each. Yes, there´s plenty of software
>loading at boot but none that I could live without. The things there
>are too valuable.

Thats over half a meg there.....  The funny thing is that I find that
30 buffers does just fine,  going to 300 buffers seems to make
bugger all difference.

The only exception is with the real big files like SS & ADoom has,
these I set the buffers high (1500) in a batch file,
only when they run & free them again when they quit.
 (as per earlier example)


-snip-

>>All the apps are on their own screens, 2 & 3 planes, (4-8 colors)
>>except IBrowse which is on 8 planes..  PAL Hires  724 x 282.

>What kind of weird resolution is that? But it could explain how you can
>have so much chipmem free. When I used AGA for everything I had my workbench
>set to DBLPAL:Hires-noflicker 640x512 plus some overscan. 5 bitplanes. Aweb
>used the same res but with 6 bitplanes. The chipmem went down...

wierd resolution ?, It's the standard max overscan on PAL-HIRES.

BTW - 640x512 is near double height,  ie: double memory needed.


>>Early versions wre a bit 'funky' but it's quite good now, the only
>>program I have that has problems is UEdit, it does it's own blit.
>>The cursor does strange things.

>Try to add it to Fblits exclude list, it may help.

Right on, I forgot about that..... Thanks...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: "Philip.Meason" <[e-mail]>
>

Hello Philip!

> Should we ask clickBoom if they would find out about the original
> Amiga Version??  it would be nice to have the original game.  It has a
> cool sound track 8-)

Yeah, maybe you should email them. Or if not get a petition or something
so clickBOOM will finish it. I see clickBOOM are finishing the game Z by
Bitmap Brothers (Speedball, gods, chaos engine fame) and alive media
soft got putty squad out so maybe someone will finish Grand Theft Auto.
It would be great to have the original on the Amiga! If we get the
original
or not my CU Amiga (last issue) letter has got some response so i have
music and a great little coded piece. Which ever comes first will be
great!

> Peace Zanthras
>

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Martin Nicholson" <[e-mail]>

On 26 Sep 98 18:54:08 +0100, Matthew O'Neill wrote,

> > Sure, it was ages since I used FFS but if I remember correctly I
> > had to add some 1500 or 1600 buffers for it to load with any
> > speed.
>
> I have about 500 per drive, it goes well nice :)

For general information, a good rule of thumb in calculating buffer
sizes is as follows;

There is no ideal buffer size, it depends on the size of files and
directories and the number of files concurrently used.

The buffers store only meta-data (fileheaders, list blocks, allocation
bitmap, ...) and partial block reads. A good estimate is to add buffers
for the largest file you use plus the largest directory you use plus
10-20 blocks extra.

The number of buffers to hold the meta-data for a file depends on the
blocksize of the partition. With 512byte/block you need one buffer
for every 36 kbyte of a file, with 2048byte/block you need one buffer
for every 912 kbyte of a file.

The number of buffers necessary to store the meta-data of a directory
is simply the number of directory entries plus 1.

So, if your largest file is 5 Megabyte and you largest directory has 200
entries on a 512byte/block partition then I would suggest a number of
360 buffers (which occupy 180 kbyte of memory).


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

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Hello
I have emailed both DMA and clickboom.  Hopefully I will get a
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Colin Wenzel ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>4 harddisks with a buffer of 300 each. Yes, there´s plenty of software
>>loading at boot but none that I could live without. The things there
>>are too valuable.

>Thats over half a meg there.....

Is it really that much...ouch! Oh, good thing it wasn´t chipmem it used
then.

>The funny thing is that I find that
>30 buffers does just fine,  going to 300 buffers seems to make
>bugger all difference.

I haven´t measured but in my warped imagination at least it feels like
it´s going faster.

>The only exception is with the real big files like SS & ADoom has,
>these I set the buffers high (1500) in a batch file,
>only when they run & free them again when they quit.

There is one drawback with that method though. The memory gets more
fragmented.

>wierd resolution ?, It's the standard max overscan on PAL-HIRES.

Sorry, thought it was without overscan.

>BTW - 640x512 is near double height,  ie: double memory needed.

No. Let´s assume it´s at the same number of bitplanes, 5 for example.

640x512 = 204.800
720x282 = 126.900

A difference of 78 kilobytes.

If we goes up to 8 bitplanes, the numbers will be:

640x512 = 327.680
720x282 = 203.040

A difference of 125 kilobytes. No doubling.

But I can´t stand the standard hires. The display is too small and nothing
fits on the screen. Worth the extra memory to use DBLPAL-hires noflicker
or hires-interlaced to gain some space IMHO.

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Hi!

    I found a book titled "Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21 Days" in the local
library.  I then downloaded an Amiga port of Perl 5 from Aminet.  I'm up to
the end of day 5 where there's a two line program that reads from '<STDIN>'
into an array variable.  The book says that control-D can be used to terminate
input but it doesn't work.  ???

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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[just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf gets dragged on once more......

>
> >Then I read something in the guide about having to add it to the
> >entire drive or something, so i gave up
>
> How big is the drive you're talking about? There was a limitation with
> one version of AFS that prevented it from working on large drives.

So far I've only tryied it on my sys: partion which is 50mb and my
net: partion which is 150, so it's not that
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Abuse

From: Hans-Joerg Frieden <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill wrote:
>> To get a little more speed, you can use a 320x200 screen (instead of
>> 320x240 or 320x256). Makes it a bit faster...
>
>dblntsc, lores, still a dead dog

I guess you don't want to hear this, but on a 68o6o, it runs perfectly
smooth (at about 30 FPS if you disable fps limit, but then it's
unplayable)...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Perl

From: Hans-Joerg Frieden <[e-mail]>

Willi Kusche wrote:
>    I found a book titled "Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21 Days" in the local
>library.  I then downloaded an Amiga port of Perl 5 from Aminet.  I'm up to
>the end of day 5 where there's a two line program that reads from '<STDIN>'
>into an array variable.  The book says that control-D can be used to terminate
>input but it doesn't work.  ???

On some systems, CTRL-D maps to an EOF character. On the Amiga, it's most
likely that CTRL-\ will have the same effect.

Regards, Hans-Joerg.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> How big is the drive you're talking about? There was a limitation with
>> one version of AFS that prevented it from working on large drives.

>So far I've only tryied it on my sys: partion which is 50mb and my
>net: partion which is 150, so it's not that

PFS2 does not have that limitation. Old AFS was split up into two
versions: AFS User and AFS Pro.

The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "William F. Maddock" <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98 16:36:57 [e-mail] Jonas Thorell wrote:

>From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

>Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>> How big is the drive you're talking about? There was a limitation
>>> with one version of AFS that prevented it from working on large
>>> drives.

>>So far I've only tryied it on my sys: partion which is 50mb and my
>>net: partion which is 150, so it's not that

>PFS2 does not have that limitation. Old AFS was split up into two
>versions: AFS User and AFS Pro.

True, but wasn't Matt talking about AFS?

>The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
>with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.

And you mustn't forget that that AFS User limitation was for the size of
the entire drive, not just one partition. I should know, I have AFS,
although I haven't installed it on any partitions in a long time. I was
too nervous about the complete lack of recovery software for the
filesystem. Here's hoping that Mr. Haynie can be convinced to work with
the new distributors to do a complete PFS2 compatible version of
DiskSalv, and that Holger will see his way clear to do a PFS2 compatible
version of Reorg. That and a bit of loose cash would get me ordering
PFS2.

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Hi!

    Control backslash does the job.  Many, many thanks.

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Subject: [just-amiga] SPARROW - A new game for Amiga

From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Chris Seward wrote:

> From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>
> > /game/misc/sparrow.lha
> What type of game is this?

Sparrow is a Freeware game for Amiga. It is written in AMOS 1.3 :)
and works on every Amiga with at least 512 kilobytes of CHIP RAM.

The game itself is a very simple flickscreen (no scrolling)
arcade-adventure game. I created it as my gradu (kind of talent showing)
for our datatechnology school. While the others started creating
Windows applications, I wanted to do an usable program.

The LHA-archive is about 520 kilobytes. I'm sorry that it will
decrunch to about 1 megabyte, so if you haven't got a hard drive
on your Amiga, you can't extract the files completely.

There are quite complete instructions in the archive.
Also included AMOS source codes.

If you don't want to spend the time downloading the file from the Aminet,
I can send you the game via email.

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Willi Kusche wrote:

> >From: Willi Kusche <[e-mail]>
> >  The book says that control-D can be used to terminate
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Ctrl-D is a UN*X EndOfFile marker, the AMIGA uses CTRL-\.
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Greetings!



I got an A1200 with BlizzardIV030/50/50 with MMU. Is the MMU "static" active or do I have to "turn it on" by using a dos command or something similar?



Thanks in advance for your help...



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: sampling

From: Kjell-espen Johansen <[e-mail]>

>From: Christopher Andrews <[e-mail]>

>

>Cold Spring wrote:

>> Is anyone out there selling an external sampler for the Amiga (I'm on

>> A1200)....?

>

>  Hisoft are bundling MegaLoSound with SoundProbe v1 at the moment

>for about £35, which seems like a nice deal.

>



Try the Aura12/16 bit sampler from Highsoft - great sound performance and nice software application...




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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Kjell-espen Johansen wrote:

> I got an A1200 with BlizzardIV030/50/50 with MMU. Is the MMU "static"
>active or do I have to "turn it on" by using a dos command or something
>similar?

It's always there and turns itself "on" when needed. Try to install
the vmm-package from Aminet for instance to check if it's really
working. VMM is very buggy but that's another issue.

Or you could re-jumper it to map the kickstart into fast ram. If
I remember correctly, the Blizzard cards require an MMU for that.


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>

>

>

>On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Kjell-espen Johansen wrote:

>

>> I got an A1200 with BlizzardIV030/50/50 with MMU. Is the MMU "static"

>>active or do I have to "turn it on" by using a dos command or something

>>similar?

>

>It's always there and turns itself "on" when needed. Try to install

>the vmm-package from Aminet for instance to check if it's really

>working. VMM is very buggy but that's another issue.

>

>Or you could re-jumper it to map the kickstart into fast ram. If

>I remember correctly, the Blizzard cards require an MMU for that.

>

>



Thanks man!



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Hello everyone
I have just heard back from DMA Design about a GTA port.  Their
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  Sadly, GTA was never designed for the Amiga and there are no plans
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However, it may be worth getting a external developer like ClickBoom
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Colin


  So people if you want an official port of GTA, then mail ClickBoom
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Subject: [just-amiga] PFS2 DIE DIE DIE!!

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Goddam son of a *@#;!"%

pfs2 screwed everything up!
every file said that had a bad hunk everythime I tried to load it,
plus my dopus magellan went corrupt on me.

everything is back to ffs, nice and working.

after 8 hours of trying to get it all to work again, using 15k screens
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Matti Niskanen ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Sparrow is a Freeware game for Amiga. It is written in AMOS 1.3 :)
>and works on every Amiga with at least 512 kilobytes of CHIP RAM.

Not on mine...AMOS and VGA-monitors don´t go together very well.
They often have problems with CPU´s more powerful than the
030 too.

Not a put down but I thought I´d mention it anyway.

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QuakePPC 10 is out.

Slower, bugfixes, screenmode changing on the fly.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: PFS2 DIE DIE DIE!!

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

> Goddam son of a *@#;!"%

> pfs2 screwed everything up!
> every file said that had a bad hunk everythime I tried to load it,
> plus my dopus magellan went corrupt on me.

> everything is back to ffs, nice and working.

> after 8 hours of trying to get it all to work again, using 15k screens
> on a vga monitor is no fun at all

I really can't figure this out AFS (just like it look like PFS) have
strange behaviours. In my machine for example I have had AFS for AGES never
anything wrong, but with my friend it haven't worked stabile at all.
And my other friend it have worked as cleanly as mine. Try figure that out.
Those File systems obviously wont fit on certain systems! Really Sad!

         _____________________________________________________
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        |  Sami Näätänen   A1260 20MB 2.5GB 2X 56k BJC-4100   |
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From: Linus Akesson <[e-mail]>

On 28-Sep-98, Elmar Plischke wrote:
>From: Elmar Plischke <[e-mail]>



>Willi Kusche wrote:

>> >From: Willi Kusche <[e-mail]>
>> >  The book says that control-D can be used to terminate
>> > input but it doesn't work.  ???

>Ctrl-D is a UN*X EndOfFile marker, the AMIGA uses CTRL-\.
>Ever tried that in an open shell-window ?

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Sure, doesn't everyone? =) I used to have an alias, "q", for endcli, but then
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[just-amiga] (no subject) gets dragged on once more......

> From: Kjell-espen Johansen <[e-mail]>
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> Greetings!
>
> I got an A1200 with BlizzardIV030/50/50 with MMU. Is the MMU "static" active or do I have to "turn it on" by using a dos command or something similar?
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

> Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:

> >> How big is the drive you're talking about? There was a limitation with
> >> one version of AFS that prevented it from working on large drives.

> >So far I've only tryied it on my sys: partion which is 50mb and my
> >net: partion which is 150, so it's not that

> PFS2 does not have that limitation. Old AFS was split up into two
> versions: AFS User and AFS Pro.

> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.

Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: PFS2 DIE DIE DIE!!

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Matthew

> From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>
>
> Goddam son of a *@#;!"%
>
> pfs2 screwed everything up!
> every file said that had a bad hunk everythime I tried to load it,
> plus my dopus magellan went corrupt on me.

Sorry to hear that. It sounds as if you used a wrong value for
the MaxTransfer for each partition - PFS2 can show up problems
with IDE MaxTransfer or SCSI termination because it pushes the
hardware much harder.

Many people do use PFS2 without problems, and it improves disk
performance significantly.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
>> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.

>Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
>bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.

That is not an AFS limit as far as I know. That´s an AmigaDOS limit.
AFS Pro and PFS2 supports disks up to 2 terrabyte in size. But I´ve
heard of people having used AFS Pro direct scsi version to have
larger partitions but I don´t know if that´s true. I haven´t got
a harddisk large enough to try it on so I can´t tell for sure.

But I saw that one that should know was a subscriber here so he may
tell me if I´m barking up the wrong tree here.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On 29-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

> Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:

> >> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
> >> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.

> >Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
> >bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.

> That is not an AFS limit as far as I know. That´s an AmigaDOS limit.
> AFS Pro and PFS2 supports disks up to 2 terrabyte in size. But I´ve
> heard of people having used AFS Pro direct scsi version to have
> larger partitions but I don´t know if that´s true. I haven´t got
> a harddisk large enough to try it on so I can´t tell for sure.

> But I saw that one that should know was a subscriber here so he may
> tell me if I´m barking up the wrong tree here.

Well it is AFS limit because it will format very nicely to 3.2GB in FFS
the limit you mean is 4GB (longword) and this will need the new 64bit
SCSI.device and file system which uses 64bit addressing. I don't know if
PFS is using that, but AFS certainly is not!!!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Sami Näätänen wrote:

> Well it is AFS limit because it will format very nicely to 3.2GB in FFS
> the limit you mean is 4GB (longword) and this will need the new 64bit

That's not the limit I'm mening. That's a limit in the device and
filesystem parts of the OS. The 2 gigabyte limit is, according
to what I've heard, a DOS-limit.

> SCSI.device and file system which uses 64bit addressing. I don't know if
> PFS is using that, but AFS certainly is not!!!

AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Jonas

> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
> >> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.
>
> >Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
> >bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.
>
> That is not an AFS limit as far as I know. That´s an AmigaDOS limit.
> AFS Pro and PFS2 supports disks up to 2 terrabyte in size. But I´ve
> heard of people having used AFS Pro direct scsi version to have
> larger partitions but I don´t know if that´s true. I haven´t got
> a harddisk large enough to try it on so I can´t tell for sure.
>
I wouldn't recommend a partition larger than 2GB even if a particular
filesystem does allow it. AmigaDOS makes various assumptions about
the size of a partition, and expects to be able to address it using
a 32 bit offset. If you have a partition >2GB there is nothing to
stop a file being >2GB, and that just won't work! Note that the
offsets used are signed (to allow seeks backwards), so the limits
are hit at 2GB rather than at 4GB.

Also, a 2GB partition is difficult to back-up - and back-ups are
very important. While PFS2 is very reliable, hard drives have a
finite lifetime. When they fail there is no recovery software for
any filesystem that can help!

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Jonas

> From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Sami Näätänen wrote:
>
> > Well it is AFS limit because it will format very nicely to 3.2GB in FFS
> > the limit you mean is 4GB (longword) and this will need the new 64bit
>
> That's not the limit I'm mening. That's a limit in the device and
> filesystem parts of the OS. The 2 gigabyte limit is, according
> to what I've heard, a DOS-limit.
>
> > SCSI.device and file system which uses 64bit addressing. I don't know if
> > PFS is using that, but AFS certainly is not!!!
>
> AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.

As can PFS2. The direct scsi version doesn't need a new scsi.device
or TD64.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On Tuesday, September 29, 1998 12:36 PM, Tim Corringham
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>
> As can PFS2. The direct scsi version doesn't need a new scsi.device
> or TD64.

It needs a device, where the HD_SCSICmd implementation isn't broken.
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I heard, that a future version of PFS2 will support TD64.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>
> > Well it is AFS limit because it will format very nicely to 3.2GB in FFS
> > the limit you mean is 4GB (longword) and this will need the new 64bit

> That's not the limit I'm mening. That's a limit in the device and
> filesystem parts of the OS. The 2 gigabyte limit is, according
> to what I've heard, a DOS-limit.

Ok so how FFS will work properly in bigger than 2GB partition, but AFS wont?
In the partition size from 2GB to 4GB the size over 2GB is just shown as
negative!!! in DOS, but maybe AFS will use signed instructions and that's
why it wont work in the over 2GB part of the partition.
Or is there different rules for the AFS and the FFS? :)

> > SCSI.device and file system which uses 64bit addressing. I don't know if
> > PFS is using that, but AFS certainly is not!!!

> AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.

So it have it's own scsi.device in it??? I doubt! How in the hell you could
put SCSI device to the filesystem? Because there are quite many SCSI
controllers, which certainly wont work with a single driver!!

Oh you can use what ever filesystem in larger than 4GB hd, but it wont work
properly in the >4GB part without 64bit SCSI controlling and if the
partition is larger than the 4GB then the filesystem have to be 64 bit too.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On 29-Sep-98, Tim Corringham wrote:
> From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

> Hi Jonas

> > From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
> >
> > Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >
> > >> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
> > >> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.
> >
> > >Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
> > >bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.
> >
> > That is not an AFS limit as far as I know. That´s an AmigaDOS limit.
> > AFS Pro and PFS2 supports disks up to 2 terrabyte in size. But I´ve
> > heard of people having used AFS Pro direct scsi version to have
> > larger partitions but I don´t know if that´s true. I haven´t got
> > a harddisk large enough to try it on so I can´t tell for sure.
> >
> I wouldn't recommend a partition larger than 2GB even if a particular
> filesystem does allow it. AmigaDOS makes various assumptions about
> the size of a partition, and expects to be able to address it using
> a 32 bit offset. If you have a partition >2GB there is nothing to
> stop a file being >2GB, and that just won't work! Note that the
> offsets used are signed (to allow seeks backwards), so the limits
> are hit at 2GB rather than at 4GB.

> Also, a 2GB partition is difficult to back-up - and back-ups are
> very important. While PFS2 is very reliable, hard drives have a
> finite lifetime. When they fail there is no recovery software for
> any filesystem that can help!

Well I agree that you shouldn't use partitions MUCH larger than 2GB
depending the usage of the drive. But I also have to say, that you shouldn't
use too many partitions unless you are using RTG system, because every
partition eats chip for its loading/decoding buffer, and 1.5 megs for sounds
and GFX isn't just enough if drives are eating half a meg. :(

So you have to balance the amount of partitions and the amount of free
chip.
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tim Corringham wrote:

> I wouldn't recommend a partition larger than 2GB even if a particular
> filesystem does allow it. AmigaDOS makes various assumptions about
> the size of a partition, and expects to be able to address it using
> a 32 bit offset.

That's more or less what I thought was the problem. Good I hadn't
imagined it.

> Also, a 2GB partition is difficult to back-up

No, that's what streamers are for.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Sami Näätänen wrote:

> Ok so how FFS will work properly in bigger than 2GB partition, but AFS wont?

Ir won't. Only because your partition is larger than 2GB doesn't
mean it's working as it should.

> > AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.

> So it have it's own scsi.device in it???

No. Not as far as I know.

>I doubt! How in the hell you could put SCSI device to the filesystem?

It bypasses scsi.device.

>Because there are quite many SCSI
>controllers, which certainly wont work with a single driver!!

There's many controllers available but my guess in how it works
is this (someone that knows the internals - correct me if I'm
wrong).

You set up the harddisk as per usual, with the correct .device file
and save it to the RDB. You then installs PFS2 ds version which
then uses the .device to see which hardware it should use. It
opens the .device or something to gain access to its adress-space
and from there on completely ignores the device and
then completely ignores the device-specific things and only sends
scsi direct commands, which means that every scsi interface and
the A1200/4000 IDE-ports can use it (some better than others due
to device-bugs).

> Oh you can use what ever filesystem in larger than 4GB hd, but it wont work
> properly in the >4GB part without 64bit SCSI controlling

NSDPatch. The optimum usage of PFS2 would probably be booting from
a <4Gig drive and running NSDpatch, direct scsi version on the
large drive.

>and if the
>partition is larger than the 4GB then the filesystem have to be 64 bit too.

I don't know if is that, actually.

/Jonas


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Sami

> From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>
>
> On 29-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> > From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>
> > > Well it is AFS limit because it will format very nicely to 3.2GB in FFS
> > > the limit you mean is 4GB (longword) and this will need the new 64bit
>
> > That's not the limit I'm mening. That's a limit in the device and
> > filesystem parts of the OS. The 2 gigabyte limit is, according
> > to what I've heard, a DOS-limit.
>
> Ok so how FFS will work properly in bigger than 2GB partition, but AFS wont?

I've never tried FFS with a partition >2GB, and I don't intend to.
AFS and PFS2 will work with partitons >2GB if you're using the direct
scsi version, and your device handles direct scsi commands correctly.

> In the partition size from 2GB to 4GB the size over 2GB is just shown as
> negative!!! in DOS, but maybe AFS will use signed instructions and that's
> why it wont work in the over 2GB part of the partition.
> Or is there different rules for the AFS and the FFS? :)

All files use a signed offset - otherwise seek commands don't
work. That applies to FFS as well as PFS2. If you use the latest
FFS, and TD64, then I imagine it is possible that files >2GB
may be supported. I still wouldn't use one!

A lot of DOS commands don't expect files or partitions to be >2Gb, so
don't report sizes etc. correctly in these cases.
>
> > > SCSI.device and file system which uses 64bit addressing. I don't know if
> > > PFS is using that, but AFS certainly is not!!!
>
> > AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.
>
> So it have it's own scsi.device in it??? I doubt! How in the hell you could
> put SCSI device to the filesystem? Because there are quite many SCSI
> controllers, which certainly wont work with a single driver!!

Calm down. AFS does not have its own scsi.device - it doesn't need it.
It just needs any device which supports the direct scsi commands.
There may be some controllers which won't allow AFS or PFS2 to use
disks >4Gb - the standard Amiga scsi.device does.
>
> Oh you can use what ever filesystem in larger than 4GB hd, but it wont work
> properly in the >4GB part without 64bit SCSI controlling and if the
> partition is larger than the 4GB then the filesystem have to be 64 bit too.

PFS2 will work with and device which supports the scsi direct commands.
These address the disk by the *block* not by the byte - that's how
disks >4GB can be addressed.

The size of the partition/file is different to the size of the disk.
PFS2 and AFS do support drives >4Gb. They also support partitions >2Gb.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Sami

>
> Well I agree that you shouldn't use partitions MUCH larger than 2GB
> depending the usage of the drive. But I also have to say, that you shouldn't
> use too many partitions unless you are using RTG system, because every
> partition eats chip for its loading/decoding buffer, and 1.5 megs for sounds
> and GFX isn't just enough if drives are eating half a meg. :(
>
What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
chip memory?

Take a look at this:

Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
chip    2004760     88296   2093056   1073224
fast    3692256  13084960  16777216   3227776
total   5697016  13173256  18870272   3227776

Which shows that I have 88kb of CHIP memory in use - with 13
partitions mounted, using a total of almost 5Mb in buffers!

AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
All buffers go in FAST memory.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>



On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tim Corringham wrote:

> What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> chip memory?

That topic was up a week or so ago...

But even if more partitions = more used chipmem, there are
ways around it. For instance, I'm about to buy a new harddrive
that's going to be used for one thing and one thing only:

Space needed for making CD's. I'm going to set up two partitions
for it. One where I put the files that's going to end up on
the CD and one where the imagefile gets stored. I'm not
going to have them automount. I'll mount them when I need them.

> AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
> All buffers go in FAST memory.

I have only four partitions mounted and they all use PFS2 and
300 buffers each. When fully booted, I have used around 140 k
of chip. I don't know what steals them though.

/Jonas


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Jonas

> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tim Corringham wrote:
>
> > What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> > chip memory?
[...]
>
> I have only four partitions mounted and they all use PFS2 and
> 300 buffers each. When fully booted, I have used around 140 k
> of chip. I don't know what steals them though.
>
I imagine it is your screen mode. I have a gfx card, so I rarely
use even 100k of CHIP memory.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>



On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tim Corringham wrote:

> > 300 buffers each. When fully booted, I have used around 140 k
> > of chip. I don't know what steals them though.

> I imagine it is your screen mode. I have a gfx card, so I rarely
> use even 100k of CHIP memory.

Same here, Picasso96 800x600 15bit. It shouldn't really steal from
my chipmem.

/Jonas


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Subject: [just-amiga] Hello!

From: Ragnar Fyri <[e-mail]>

Well, I have been lurking here for ten days according to the date on my
welcome message. In the beginning everyone was talking about games, now
the theme has switched to hardware and filing systems. I  think I will
wait and see what theme comes up next before I start getting really
involved, I just want to make one observation:
Big (reeeally BIG) partitions seem to be a lot of trouble. Is it worth
it?? I mean, sure you can never have too much storage space, but right
offhand I can't think of any applications that would require it to be
all in one big chunk. What do you guys use your Amigas for, anyway?
Someone mentioned CD production, but afaik CDs are "only" 660 meg or
something like that...

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello!

From: micro-media <[e-mail]>

Hello Ragnar

On 29-Sep-98, you wrote:

> From: Ragnar Fyri <[e-mail]>
>
> Well, I have been lurking here for ten days according to the date on my
> welcome message. In the beginning everyone was talking about games, now
> the theme has switched to hardware and filing systems. I  think I will
> wait and see what theme comes up next before I start getting really
> involved, I just want to make one observation:
> Big (reeeally BIG) partitions seem to be a lot of trouble. Is it worth
> it?? I mean, sure you can never have too much storage space, but right
> offhand I can't think of any applications that would require it to be
> all in one big chunk. What do you guys use your Amigas for, anyway?
> Someone mentioned CD production, but afaik CDs are "only" 660 meg or
> something like that...
>
Regards

Well I have a 720mb HD which I have set to 3 partitions, not because I want
to but because it was like that whenI bought it. But as it happens I like it
that way. I have a Workbench partition, a "Serious" partition which I use
for development, WP, graphics blah blah... and then my anything-else
partition which I use for games and general crap. The nice thing is that
anything I'm not sure about goes onto my games partition as any problems
don't bring everything else down e.g. IBrowse has crashed on me before which
invalidated my partition so I simply reformatted it.

Cheers

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Subject: [just-amiga] Databases in the world

From: Matti Niskanen <[e-mail]>

Hello again!

This might not be the right area to ask
such question, but do anybody know

    which are the market shares of
    different database programs,
    such as Oracle, Ingres etc.
    I think Oracle is the greatest,
    but how are the others rated?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>

Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!
He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache, and
AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Quake1-2 (was: Re: Tomraider 3 -Amiga)

From: Oliver Hodgson <[e-mail]>

Robbin Van Ooy wrote:
>
> From: Robbin Van Ooy <[e-mail]>
>
> On 25-Sep-98,  Jonas Thorell informed me of the following:
>
> >Not in Quake, and to tell the truth I don't even like Quake. But if there's
> >polygons everywhere, no exceptions, why does it get blocky even in high
> >resolutions like >800x600?
> Because those Polygons are texturemapped. And the textures are of a low
> quality. So perhaps Q2 has better textures.
>
It looks smooth on a 3D accelerated Pc because 3D cards filter the textures -
anti alias them or summat.

SeeYA,


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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: Oliver Hodgson <[e-mail]>

> Yeah, maybe you should email them. Or if not get a petition or something
> so clickBOOM will finish it. I see clickBOOM are finishing the game Z by
> Bitmap Brothers (Speedball, gods, chaos engine fame) and alive media
> soft got putty squad out so maybe someone will finish Grand Theft Auto.
> It would be great to have the original on the Amiga! If we get the
> original
> or not my CU Amiga (last issue) letter has got some response so i have
> music and a great little coded piece. Which ever comes first will be
> great!
>
But DMA say that there never was an Amiga version - it was all speculation
started on usenet. (Sorry)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: "Nick Bergquist" <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:46:32 +0000, Alan Paynter said:

> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
> and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
> led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!
> He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache, and
> AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

This isn't right - I have a Blizzard 1230/IV that works fine with an
8x Mitsumi IDE CDROM, an Eyetech MkII buffered IDE interface and a
registered version of IDEFix. I have a desktop A1200 with the IDE
ribbon trapped between the case halves and leading to what is
effectively a bare CDROM mechanism. You don't mention whether you have
a v.long IDE ribbon which I believe can be problematic - although
probably not with a buffered interface.
I originally had problems with the CDROM drive - in the sense that
once connected my hard drive had ceased to work! This all
disappeared when I replaced the IDEFix CD filesystem with AmiCDFS for
some reason. In my experience ALL new hardware has been problematic
until I jiggled everything around a few times, phoned suppliers a few
times, banged my head against the wall a few times and thoroughly
checked everything to make sure I hadn't overlooked something. I hope
this reassures you a little that the combination does actually work!

Regards.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>

Hi Nick

On 29-Sep-98, Nick Bergquist wrote:
> From: "Nick Bergquist" <[e-mail]>
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:46:32 +0000, Alan Paynter said:
>
>> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work,
>> & led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on
me!!!
>> He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache,
and
>> AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?
>
> This isn't right - I have a Blizzard 1230/IV that works fine with an
> 8x Mitsumi IDE CDROM, an Eyetech MkII buffered IDE interface and a
> registered version of IDEFix. I have a desktop A1200 with the IDE
> ribbon trapped between the case halves and leading to what is
> effectively a bare CDROM mechanism. You don't mention whether you have
> a v.long IDE ribbon which I believe can be problematic - although
> probably not with a buffered interface.
> I originally had problems with the CDROM drive - in the sense that
> once connected my hard drive had ceased to work! This all
> disappeared when I replaced the IDEFix CD filesystem with AmiCDFS for
> some reason. In my experience ALL new hardware has been problematic
> until I jiggled everything around a few times, phoned suppliers a few
> times, banged my head against the wall a few times and thoroughly
> checked everything to make sure I hadn't overlooked something. I hope
> this reassures you a little that the combination does actually work!
>
=========== Thanks Nick, just as I thought, another sales bullshit
horror story, eh? His IDE ribbon cable is just like yours, poking between
the case halves, and terminating just outside (no long cable there).
I suspect the infamous squirrelscsi installation script has triumphed again.
I have twice looked at his dosdrivers drawer and found CD driver scripts which
dont belong there, littering it up. Gonna have to check that drawer
for him again I think.
>
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--
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>



> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Sami Näätänen wrote:

> > Ok so how FFS will work properly in bigger than 2GB partition, but AFS
wont?

> Ir won't. Only because your partition is larger than 2GB doesn't
> mean it's working as it should.

> > > AFS Pro direct scsi version can use drives larger than 4 gig.
> > So it have it's own scsi.device in it???
> No. Not as far as I know.

> >I doubt! How in the hell you could put SCSI device to the filesystem?
> It bypasses scsi.device.
> >Because there are quite many SCSI
> >controllers, which certainly wont work with a single driver!!
> There's many controllers available but my guess in how it works
> is this (someone that knows the internals - correct me if I'm
> wrong).

> You set up the harddisk as per usual, with the correct .device file
> and save it to the RDB. You then installs PFS2 ds version which
> then uses the .device to see which hardware it should use. It
> opens the .device or something to gain access to its adress-space
> and from there on completely ignores the device and
> then completely ignores the device-specific things and only sends
> scsi direct commands, which means that every scsi interface and
> the A1200/4000 IDE-ports can use it (some better than others due
> to device-bugs).

Well Sounds reasonable, and I think it should work on any new controller
like 1230scsi.device and the like. So it have to support TD64 or similar.
to be able to work correctly

> > Oh you can use what ever filesystem in larger than 4GB hd, but it wont
work
> > properly in the >4GB part without 64bit SCSI controlling

> NSDPatch. The optimum usage of PFS2 would probably be booting from
> a <4Gig drive and running NSDpatch, direct scsi version on the
> large drive.
> >and if the
> >partition is larger than the 4GB then the filesystem have to be 64 bit too.
> I don't know if is that, actually.

Yes it is because the current fileing systems marks the start of the file
with 32bit offset (FFS unsigned AFS probably signed to make it more
DOS compatible I think) so if you partition is larger than 4 GB the >4GB
part cannot be addressed at all.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Nigel Bent <[e-mail]>

Hello Alan

On 29-Sep-98, you wrote:

> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
> and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
> led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!
> He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache,
and
> AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

I had the same problems when I fitted my CD-ROM.  A couple of possible
solutions spring to mind:

1    Does he have a Rev 1D4 or 2B motherboard.  If so, this could be the
problem.  Some C= and early Escom boards have hardware timing problems which
can really screw up IDE when an accel is fitted.  Eyetech can fix the board
for £30 ( they did mine in 3 days).

2    You could try this set up:

        HD-------I/F--------------------------------CDROM

ie with the interface in the middle of the cable and the HD on the short
run.  This worked for me before I had the fix done.

BTW, what make is the HD?

Hope one of these works for you.

(oh no - I've posted.  I guess I'm no longer a just-amiga virgin ;-))

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Jonas Thorell wrote:
> From: Jonas Thorell <[e-mail]>



> On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Tim Corringham wrote:

> > What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> > chip memory?

> That topic was up a week or so ago...

> But even if more partitions = more used chipmem, there are
> ways around it. For instance, I'm about to buy a new harddrive
> that's going to be used for one thing and one thing only:

> Space needed for making CD's. I'm going to set up two partitions
> for it. One where I put the files that's going to end up on
> the CD and one where the imagefile gets stored. I'm not
> going to have them automount. I'll mount them when I need them.

> > AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
> > All buffers go in FAST memory.

> I have only four partitions mounted and they all use PFS2 and
> 300 buffers each. When fully booted, I have used around 140 k
> of chip. I don't know what steals them though.

The dos buffers and Disk load/save/decode buffers are NOT the same thing the
decode buffers are used for decoding/loading/saving the data from/to
disk!!! You can see this if you partition your new drive with 4 partitions
tehn boot take the avail chip mem and partition the drive as two partitions
and boot again and you see how much the disk will eat up the chip.

If I remember correctly the 1230SCSI.DEVICE controlled drives don't need
chip for decode buffers it can use FAST instead!!! So the SCSI drives even
save your chip mem. :)

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Tim Corringham wrote:
> From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

> Hi Sami

> >
> > Well I agree that you shouldn't use partitions MUCH larger than 2GB
> > depending the usage of the drive. But I also have to say, that you
shouldn't
> > use too many partitions unless you are using RTG system, because every
> > partition eats chip for its loading/decoding buffer, and 1.5 megs for
sounds
> > and GFX isn't just enough if drives are eating half a meg. :(
> >
> What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> chip memory?

> Take a look at this:

> Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
> chip    2004760     88296   2093056   1073224
> fast    3692256  13084960  16777216   3227776
> total   5697016  13173256  18870272   3227776

> Which shows that I have 88kb of CHIP memory in use - with 13
> partitions mounted, using a total of almost 5Mb in buffers!

> AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
> All buffers go in FAST memory.

Well I have to check What Amount I get, but I have seen Internal IDE eating
chip if more partitions used not for DOS buffers, but loading buffers.
Which Filesystem you ran on?
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From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Ragnar Fyri wrote:
> From: Ragnar Fyri <[e-mail]>

> Well, I have been lurking here for ten days according to the date on my
> welcome message. In the beginning everyone was talking about games, now
> the theme has switched to hardware and filing systems. I  think I will
> wait and see what theme comes up next before I start getting really
> involved, I just want to make one observation:
> Big (reeeally BIG) partitions seem to be a lot of trouble. Is it worth
> it?? I mean, sure you can never have too much storage space, but right
> offhand I can't think of any applications that would require it to be
> all in one big chunk. What do you guys use your Amigas for, anyway?
> Someone mentioned CD production, but afaik CDs are "only" 660 meg or
> something like that...


Well I have just four Partitions 84 meg for WB and tha like 1.9GB for
utilities and mpeg audio and so on. Games 300 megs and 100megs or so for
FFS partition which includes my temporary and download sections plus games
that do not like AFS + 060 combination like setlers. :(

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 29-Sep-98, Alan Paynter wrote:
> From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>

> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
> and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
> led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!
> He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache,
and
> AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

Take older IDEfix and it will I have had my panasonic 2x for ages now, and
in my machine it wont work with the new IDEfix atapi.device so use the
older one and it should work. My atapi.device version is 113.1
and I use CDFSCahce as a filing system.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

Hi Sami

> > What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> > chip memory?
>
> > Take a look at this:
>
> > Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
> > chip    2004760     88296   2093056   1073224
> > fast    3692256  13084960  16777216   3227776
> > total   5697016  13173256  18870272   3227776
>
> > Which shows that I have 88kb of CHIP memory in use - with 13
> > partitions mounted, using a total of almost 5Mb in buffers!
>
> > AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
> > All buffers go in FAST memory.
>
> Well I have to check What Amount I get, but I have seen Internal IDE eating
> chip if more partitions used not for DOS buffers, but loading buffers.
> Which Filesystem you ran on?

This is an A3000 running OS3.1. The partitions are a mix of FFS
and PFS2, with about 8 of the 13 being PFS2.

  Tim

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:47 PM, Alan Paynter
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-
> ups
> and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
> led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on
> me!!!
> He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems,
> CDFScache, and
> AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

The problem is a hardware, not a software problem, although there is a
software "workaround".
This workaround is called "SetAtapiSpeed", but this doesn't really solve
the problem, it just "hides" it.
Also changing CacheCDFS settings ar switching to another FileSystem
(AmiCDFS) only hides the problem.
CacheCDFS is pretty demanding, as it reads big chaunks from the CD due to
its caching and prefetch technique which gave it its name :-)

First, are you using a buffered IDE interface?
If not - get one. Without a buffered IDE interface your Blizzard won't
work reliable. The CPU bus is connected directly to the IDE Bus in the
A1200! Together with the Blizzard, the Bus load is much too high.
Get the "BLACK" one from Individual Computers (Info at
http://www.jschoenfeld.com )
The Blizzard card slightly changes the timing of the IDE interface, and
makes the IDE bus very sensitive to bus loads.
If you already use a buffered interface - try to exchange it with this
black one. It has a terminated IDE bus which works much more reliable.
Also the timing of the buffers on the interface is critical, as the
buffers have to switch direction very fast.
It is very possible that a buffered interface can't work with the Blizzard
because auf the specific timing of the Blizzard.

Hope this helps.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Monday, September 28, 1998 11:13 PM, Sami Naatanen
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>
>
> On 29-Sep-98, Alan Paynter wrote:
> > From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>
>
> > Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-
> > ups
> > and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he
> > was
> > led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on
> > me!!!
> > He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems,
> > CDFScache,
> and
> > AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?
>
> Take older IDEfix and it will I have had my panasonic 2x for ages now,
> and
> in my machine it wont work with the new IDEfix atapi.device so use the
> older one and it should work. My atapi.device version is 113.1
> and I use CDFSCahce as a filing system.

You can also use a new IDEfix and reduce the Speed with SetAtapiSpeed.
Same deal.

Cheers,

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Alan Paynter ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
>and "read-write errors~!"

I got that today when I accidently ejected the CD AmigaAMP wanted to access.
I think I´ll remove that shortcut in MCP...

>on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
>led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!

A new one on me too since it works perfectly on mine. Blizzard1230-III,
50 Mhz and 32 meg fast. 24x CD connected to the internal IDE-port.

>He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache,
>and AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

Knackered CD-ROM? Something badly shielded? Some buggy patch? I´d stick with
CacheCDFS, IMO the best CD-filesystem on the market.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello!

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Ragnar Fyri ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Big (reeeally BIG) partitions seem to be a lot of trouble.

They certainly takes a lot of time to validate.

>Is it worth it??

Depends on what you want to do.

>I mean, sure you can never have too much storage space, but right
>offhand I can't think of any applications that would require it to be
>all in one big chunk.

Multimedia production would be one. Harddisk recording of songs and
movies for instance. Can´t be splitted up across partitions.

>What do you guys use your Amigas for, anyway?

Personally, a bit of this and that. Lately I´ve been toying around
with video digitizing and I just heard that I´ll get my Prelude
soundcard in a couple of days...then it´s really going to be fun.

>Someone mentioned CD production,

That would be me.

>but afaik CDs are "only" 660 meg or something like that...

Around that size, yes. The imagefile that is. You require some workspace
too, which doubles the space needed.

But I agree with you in that you normally don´t need the space in
one big chunk but sometimes. I´m a lot less concerned about this
2 gig limit than the 4 gig one. I will soon _need_ a harddrive exceeding
the 4 gig limit so it´s a good thing that I´m using PFS2.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= <[e-mail]>

On 30-Sep-98, Tim Corringham wrote:
> From: [e-mail] (Tim Corringham)

> Hi Sami

> > > What makes you think that having more partitions uses more
> > > chip memory?
> >
> > > Take a look at this:
> >
> > > Type  Available    In-Use   Maximum   Largest
> > > chip    2004760     88296   2093056   1073224
> > > fast    3692256  13084960  16777216   3227776
> > > total   5697016  13173256  18870272   3227776
> >
> > > Which shows that I have 88kb of CHIP memory in use - with 13
> > > partitions mounted, using a total of almost 5Mb in buffers!
> >
> > > AFAIK, none of the used CHIP memory is due to disk partitions.
> > > All buffers go in FAST memory.
> >
> > Well I have to check What Amount I get, but I have seen Internal IDE
eating
> > chip if more partitions used not for DOS buffers, but loading buffers.
> > Which Filesystem you ran on?

> This is an A3000 running OS3.1. The partitions are a mix of FFS
> and PFS2, with about 8 of the 13 being PFS2.

So using SCSI.device which wont need such buffers to placed in chip. luky you.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Oliver Kastl ([e-mail]) wrote:

>First, are you using a buffered IDE interface?
>If not - get one. Without a buffered IDE interface your Blizzard won't
>work reliable. The CPU bus is connected directly to the IDE Bus in the
>A1200! Together with the Blizzard, the Bus load is much too high.

Hm, I suspected this. Since I installed my CD-ROM to the internal
IDE-port together with my boot-harddisk, something seems to be
eating cpu-power. Blizzard 1230. For instance, loading up AmigaAMP
and the load instanly goes up (average cpu-load according to executive
can jump over 4.x or even 5.x when doing that, even with ordinary
ilbm-pictures).

Hope it helps when my buffered ide-interface arrives.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Well Sounds reasonable, and I think it should work on any new controller
>like 1230scsi.device and the like.

If my little theory is correct, it should.

>So it have to support TD64 or similar to be able to work correctly

Absolutely. It would work without it too but not as reliable.

>> I don't know if is that, actually.

>Yes it is because the current fileing systems marks the start of the file
>with 32bit offset (FFS unsigned AFS probably signed to make it more
>DOS compatible I think) so if you partition is larger than 4 GB the >4GB
>part cannot be addressed at all.

Yes that´s true. What was I thinking of?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Automount HD Partitions.

From: Sridhar Iyer <[e-mail]>

At 04:18 PM 29/09/98 +0200, Jonas Thorell wrote:

> I'm not going to have them automount. I'll mount them when I need them.

That is interesting. I know how to prevent the partition from Automounting.
That is by not checking the option in HDToolbox. Right?

But if I do decide to mount it later how does one go about it? This is of
interest to me cause then I can have loads of my in development anims in
such a partition and not worry about someone filching them!

Also some kinda encryption system for data files would be much appreciated.
I used to powerpack the data files but i sorta stopped doing so for i fear
that mebbe pploadseg does not work with WB 3.1. Do fill in me gaps of
knowledge.

In India , I used to be the only one who kept tinkering but as of late I
hardly get time what with the economy taking such a downturn. Sigh.

Sridhar

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 27-sep-98, Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) escribió:

>> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
>> Sami Näätänen ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>>> The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on
it)
>>>> with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.
>
>>> Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work
in
>>> bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.

If you install scsi.device 43.23 the 4Gb AmigaDOS limit dissapear.

I have now a 4.3Gb and i'm using all.

I've think the problem is with IDE HD and the internal controller, with a
scsi HD and using another device than scsi.device will work without
limitation.

Read all the docs in the file SCSI_IDE43_23.lha

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

From: The LOGIC's <[e-mail]>

El 26-sep-98, Jonas Thorell ([e-mail]) escribió:

> But my chipmem count is around 1.9 meg normally but that still isn't
> enough at times. Try to load CapitalPunishment from the workbench and
> you'll see. It wants the 140 k that goes to god knows where.

And what can i say about the Pinball Brain Damage??? You have to disable
before load:

- Startup-Sequence
- DF0:
- CC0:
- All partition less the one is the Pinball installed.

After all this the program load fine!

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: Oliver Kastl <[e-mail]>

On Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:26 AM, Jonas Thorell
[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>
>
> Oliver Kastl ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >First, are you using a buffered IDE interface?
> >If not - get one. Without a buffered IDE interface your Blizzard won't
> >work reliable. The CPU bus is connected directly to the IDE Bus in the
> >A1200! Together with the Blizzard, the Bus load is much too high.
>
> Hm, I suspected this. Since I installed my CD-ROM to the internal
> IDE-port together with my boot-harddisk, something seems to be
> eating cpu-power. Blizzard 1230. For instance, loading up AmigaAMP
> and the load instanly goes up (average cpu-load according to executive
> can jump over 4.x or even 5.x when doing that, even with ordinary
> ilbm-pictures).


Oh, this is a misunderstanding. BUS-Load and CPU-Load are different
things. With Bus-Load I mean the electrical, physical load on the system
bus.

For CPU-Load problems (as you described), a buffered IDE interface won't
help. Well - with the buffered interface you can use atapi speed 3,
causing less CPU use.

Regards,

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From: Ragnar Fyri <[e-mail]>

'Twas the night before 30-Sep-98, and all through the net,
 not a creature was stirring, except for Sridhar, who whispered ominously:

>But if I do decide to mount it later how does one go about it? This is of
>interest to me cause then I can have loads of my in development anims in
>such a partition and not worry about someone filching them!

Just my 1.9 cents...
I've got SCSIMounter 'left out' in a corner of my workbench mostly for when
I didn't turn on or feed the Zip drive before powering up. (Can't remember
if it didn't come with an icon or I just didn't like the standard one, but
I made a new one by shrinking and recolouring a picture ofa horse... (You
mount horses,right?))

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

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>From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>

>

>Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups

>and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was

>led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!

>He has an 1230/28 + 16Mb.Have tried 2 different filing systems, CDFScache, and

>AmiCDFS. Anyone got a clue?

>

>



I'm using a BlizzrardIV030/50/50/16 with IDEfix97 and

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

The LOGIC's ([e-mail]) wrote:

>And what can i say about the Pinball Brain Damage??? You have to disable
>before load:

>- Startup-Sequence
>- DF0:
>- CC0:
>- All partition less the one is the Pinball installed.

>After all this the program load fine!

>AMIGA 4000/060/42Mb  / // / /    / _  / / ____/ / / / ____/ / / / ____/

Has there been an upgrade to it? Last time I saw it it refused to work with
060´s. Or rather, last I saw an advertisement for it in a catalog of a
Swedish mailorder company. They claims it doens´t work with 060´s. And
I suspect they´ve checked it themselves or got information from their
dealer. They don´t want returns after all.

How good is the game BTW? I love pinball games and can only regret that
my 1200 refuses to run Pinball Dreams.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Automount HD Partitions.

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Sridhar Iyer ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> I'm not going to have them automount. I'll mount them when I need them.

>That is interesting. I know how to prevent the partition from Automounting.
>That is by not checking the option in HDToolbox. Right?

Exactly.

>But if I do decide to mount it later how does one go about it?

I would suggest you download SCSImounter from Aminet. It can open up a window
showing all drives attached to a specific interface, i.e. squirrelscsi.device.
Let´s say you made DH3 to not automount. Just click on it in the program and then
click on mount and you´re done. The program can even save out a mountlist for
you which you can then place in sys:storage/dosdrivers. Open a shell
and type *mount dh3:* and it´s available.

Just one word of caution: the program saves out the mountlist in the old format
so if you want one mountlist per drive instead of several in one, you´ll have
to edit the file slightly. This is one mountlist it created for me:

/* Mountlist for partitions on drive CONNER    CP30085E-85Mb    */

MM0:
    Device          = squirrelscsi.device
    Unit            = 0
    Flags           = 2
    Surfaces        = 2
    BlockSize       = 512
    BlocksPerTrack  = 46
    SectorsPerBlock = 1
    Reserved        = 2
    PreAlloc        = 0
    Interleave      = 0
    LowCyl          = 2
    HighCyl         = 1806
    Buffers         = 30
    BufMemType      = 0
    MaxTransfer     = 0x0000FE00
    Mask            = 0x7FFFFFFE
    BootPri         = 0
    DosType         = 0x444F5303
#

All you have to do is to remove the MM0: at the top and the # at the end. Then
just rename it to what you want to type when it should be mounted.

>Also some kinda encryption system for data files would be much appreciated.

The XPK packing system has some encryption built in but I don´t know how good
that is. Another option is to use MultiFileSystem and make the files unreadable
for everyone but root. WARNING! If you want to use MultiFileSystem, you really
need to know what you´re doing when installing since otherwise you might end up
with a system that can´t be used.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

Oliver Kastl ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Oh, this is a misunderstanding. BUS-Load and CPU-Load are different
>things. With Bus-Load I mean the electrical, physical load on the system
>bus.

Oops. Sorry about that. My knowledge of electronics is rather limited.

>For CPU-Load problems (as you described), a buffered IDE interface won't
>help.

Damn. Then I don´t really understand what has happened.

>Well - with the buffered interface you can use atapi speed 3,
>causing less CPU use.

That´s worth a try, when the interface shows up.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

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> Has there been an upgrade to it? Last time I saw it it refused to work with
> 060´s. Or rather, last I saw an advertisement for it in a catalog of a

It doesn't run on an 060 :-(
I did not even know that until I saw a sticky label on the box, no mention
was in any of the adverts I saw. It starts to run then stops !
I was also sent the floppy version even though I ordered the CD one.

Anyway it will work on my wife's A1200 so not all was lost. It is actually
quite a good game, not as good as Slam Tilt but better than the other
Pinball games. If it had more than just two tables it would be far better.

As you have found out it needs as much chip ram as it can get so I start
it from the shell in the early startup menu. The instructions in the game
manual are totally wrong but you can easily find the executable file and
run it. Not sure what it is as I am at work now.

>
> How good is the game BTW? I love pinball games and can only regret that
> my 1200 refuses to run Pinball Dreams.

Pinball Fantasies does not run on an 060 either.
Pinball Illusions does but again you need to get that bit more Chip ram to
run it, but just reducing the colour depth of Workbench is enough.

Slamtilt runs fine though on 060 and has no Chip ram problems. You do
need to use ECSLaunch though if starting from a non 15khz workbench.

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

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bill.eaves ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> Has there been an upgrade to it? Last time I saw it it refused to work with
>> 060´s. Or rather, last I saw an advertisement for it in a catalog of a

>It doesn't run on an 060 :-(
>I did not even know that until I saw a sticky label on the box, no mention
>was in any of the adverts I saw. It starts to run then stops !

And a c:cpu nocache noburst doesn´t help? That works to get around that
bug in the copy-protection routines in Capital Punishment for example.
No wonder there´s a bug there since that part of the game was written
in AMOS.

>Pinball Illusions does but again you need to get that bit more Chip ram to
>run it, but just reducing the colour depth of Workbench is enough.

Hm, how many colours did you use then? I´ve successfully run it from
a DBLPAL max overscan in 64 colors.

>Slamtilt runs fine though on 060 and has no Chip ram problems. You do
>need to use ECSLaunch though if starting from a non 15khz workbench.

So I´ve noticed (: I´m using jst for programs that behave that way.
Now all I have to do is to get my other monitor working so I can run
them again...somehow it´s rather difficult in running them on a SVGA
screen...

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Subject: [just-amiga] CacheCDFS prefs

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I see that author of IDEFix package, Oliver Kastl is on this list, so please
let me take an opportunity...

I changed all my Devs:DOSdrivers mountlists to one dummy file which contains
a comment only and moved all the entries to icons' tooltypes. This allows me
for easy access/editing of all parameters directly from WB and it works
perfectly from CLI as well. Unfortunately such an arrangement confuses
CacheCDFS Prefs program wchich cannot parse tooltypes to save changes.
Oliver, is it possible to fix this in next release?

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Automount HD Partitions.

From: Mikolaj Calusinski <[e-mail]>

Hello Sridhar, on 30-Sep-98 you wrote:

> That is interesting. I know how to prevent the partition from
Automounting.
> That is by not checking the option in HDToolbox. Right?

Yeah, but you can as well hide the partition from DOS setting CustomFS and
writing zeros in Identifier (but leaving 'Automount this partition' option
checked). You'll be able to use the patition when you run appropriate
mountlist entry only but you won't have to copy required filesystem to RDB
(if applicable - f.ex. for MS-D*S partition).

> But if I do decide to mount it later how does one go about it? This is of
> interest to me cause then I can have loads of my in development anims in
> such a partition and not worry about someone filching them!

Then you just have to hide the mountlist well and hope your Miggy's co-users
are not too advanced... ;)

> Also some kinda encryption system for data files would be much
appreciated.
> I used to powerpack the data files but i sorta stopped doing so for i fear
> that mebbe pploadseg does not work with WB 3.1. Do fill in me gaps of
> knowledge.

Wrong. PPLoadSeg has nothing to do with data files. It is used to
transparently load and execute powerpacker *executable* files that are
loaded via [New]LoadSeg function of dos.library (it's mostly used to pack
libraries, fonts, some handlers, etc.) Original PPLoadSeg by Nico works
perfect with OS3.1 (I still use it all the time). The 020 version of it done
by Dave Jones  (and upped to Aminet) has a serious bug however, so better
use original.
As to encrypting files why not to use xpk? It's fairly good (idea uses 64bit
internal key for example, which makes it quite uncrackable by non-profies).

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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

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> >It doesn't run on an 060 :-(

> And a c:cpu nocache noburst doesn´t help?

I did not check in too much detail, I just put it on the other machine.
I know nothing I tried got Pinball Fantasies to run without it grinding to a
halt. I used MCPs tooltypes to disable various 060 features but never
found a combination that worked. Only disabling the Blizzard at start up
worked and then running the game from the CLI.

> >Pinball Illusions does but again you need to get that bit more Chip ram to
> >run it, but just reducing the colour depth of Workbench is enough.
>
> Hm, how many colours did you use then? I´ve successfully run it from
> a DBLPAL max overscan in 64 colours.

Mine was the same, reducing it to 16 seemed to do the trick. I think after
using FBlit it would run without any messing about.

It will easily have enough Chip now as WB is on a Pixel 64 and hardly
any chip ram is used. The bother is I have to unplug the monitor and then
plug it into the Amiga video slot to use anything that insists on 15kHz
modes. Not a practice I want to do often when powered up :-(



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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem

From: "Jonas Thorell" <[e-mail]>

bill.eaves ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I know nothing I tried got Pinball Fantasies to run without it grinding to a
>halt. I used MCPs tooltypes to disable various 060 features but never  found
>a combination that worked.

I don´t like the MCP-tooltypes. For some reason they refuse to work on my
machine when I´m running ScalOS as Wbreplacement.

>> Hm, how many colours did you use then? I´ve successfully run it from
>> a DBLPAL max overscan in 64 colours.

>Mine was the same, reducing it to 16 seemed to do the trick. I think after
>using FBlit it would run without any messing about.

That must be it then.

>It will easily have enough Chip now as WB is on a Pixel 64 and hardly
>any chip ram is used.

Always nice. My GFX-card isn´t exactly a speed-demon but I wouldn´t
want to be without it now that I´ve gotten used to it.

>The bother is I have to unplug the monitor and then
>plug it into the Amiga video slot to use anything that insists on 15kHz
>modes.

A switchbox is a good thing. I´m using one of those to use the same monitor
on both the Amiga and the Pentium next to it. They can just as easily be
used to switch between different outputs on the same machine.
They cost around GBP 15-20 I would guess. Not too hard to build them
oneself either.

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[just-amiga] Re: pfs2 and surf gets dragged on once more......

> > The user version was limited to 1 harddisk (and 1 partition only on it)
> > with a maximum size of around 600 meg. The pro version was limitless.
>
> Well how big partitions you have, because I have AFS and it wont work in
> bigger partitions than 2GB :( So that's the limit.
>
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hello!

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

[just-amiga] Hello! gets dragged on once more......

> Big (reeeally BIG) partitions seem to be a lot of trouble. Is it worth
> it?? I mean, sure you can never have too much storage space, but right
> offhand I can't think of any applications that would require it to be
> all in one big chunk. What do you guys use your Amigas for, anyway?
> Someone mentioned CD production, but afaik CDs are "only" 660 meg or
> something like that...

I have,

workbench3.0: 50mb
internet: 150mb
work: 1.1Gig

work: has given me the least trouble of them all
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: PFS2 DIE DIE DIE!!

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

[just-amiga] Re: PFS2 DIE DIE DIE!! gets dragged on once more......

> > pfs2 screwed everything up!
> > every file said that had a bad hunk everythime I tried to load it,
> > plus my dopus magellan went corrupt on me.
>
> Sorry to hear that. It sounds as if you used a wrong value for
> the MaxTransfer for each partition - PFS2 can show up problems
> with IDE MaxTransfer or SCSI termination because it pushes the
> hardware much harder.

I know all about the maxtransfer stuff (IDE) and I tried all sort, but
it still gave the same errors over and over again

> Many people do use PFS2 without problems, and it improves disk
> performance significantly.

It did for 4 hours, then it went natty
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Blizzard/Idefix compatability?

From: "Matthew O'Neill" <[e-mail]>

[just-amiga] Blizzard/Idefix compatability? gets dragged on once more......

> From: Alan Paynter <[e-mail]>
>
> Hi, A friend of mine cannot get his IDE CDrom drive to work, i.e hang-ups
> and "read-write errors~!" on the CD. When he took the drive back he was
> led to believe IDEfix doesnt work with Blizzard boards. A new one on me!!!

It's certainly not that, blizzard boards are the most compatible ever
made, afaik, everythinng works with them
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>> I'm not going to have them automount. I'll mount them when I need them.

> That is interesting. I know how to prevent the partition from
Automounting.

But, opposite to this, if one would like to dismount a partition after is
HAS been automounted -- is this was "assign [part:] dismount" is supposed to
do?

The partition disappears from WB but still seems to exist in shell, and
assigns to the partition still work. In file-requesters the volume is gone
though.

What is the intent with such a command (assign dismount)?

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Hi,

    I am in the middle of purchasing an .... sorry .... IBM Compatible PC
<Me Ducks>

    I would like to use the Siamese system to link that and my (NON-Towered)
Amiga 1200 Blizzard1260.

    Has anyone had any experience of such a setup?

    What hardware is required on each machine?

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From: Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]>

Hi Steve,

On 30-Sep-98, Steve Bashforth wrote:

>    I am in the middle of purchasing an .... sorry .... IBM Compatible PC
> <Me Ducks>

And I've already got one..... in fact I have 250 well, ok not quite but thats
how many I control @ work...Muhahahaha  :)

>    I would like to use the Siamese system to link that and my (NON-Towered)
> Amiga 1200 Blizzard1260.

Yeah...060 ? Blimey /me is jealous

>    Has anyone had any experience of such a setup?

Yus, I run it here, well when I say run..it kinda crawls along.

>    What hardware is required on each machine?

Serial ports (High speed preferably) and a null modem cable for the
'El Cheapo' version (2.1)

Ethernet cards for both machines + cables for version 2.5 Pro

If you need more info mail me (off list:) and we can discuss this some more :))

Cheers,
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[just-amiga] Re: Chip Mem gets dragged on once more......

> How good is the game BTW? I love pinball games and can only regret that
> my 1200 refuses to run Pinball Dreams.
>
why? my 1200 runs it fine?
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Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Grand Theft Auto!

From: "Chris Seward" <[e-mail]>

On 27-Sep-98, you wrote:

Hi Philip!

> I have emailed both DMA and clickboom.  Hopefully I will get a
> response from either one or both 8-)  Lets wait and see.

Great! hopefully we'll see Grand Theft Auto on the amiga in a
short time! btw : do you have that DMA email address you could
give me?

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Hi all,
  Here is the little logo to link to the AIO web page, if you run a
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stick it on your web page please email me at : *[e-mail]*
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